Dota 2 Vs LoL

[Sk8dcenjoi]

Ok I see all yall cheeseballs playing dota 2, what makes it better or different from LoL?

[Fencerboy]

valve

[CR33D]

It's not.

[HausOfJoel]

weeeeeeeeee pictures

[cloud]

Graphics are better.
You can't win a 1v5 fight unless REALLY fed.
Community is about the same from what I've played from both games.
Start with all the heroes without having to pay.
Teamwork is much more important.
Dying actually has a penalty other than giving the other team gold and experience.
Heroes have item slots and not "skins" making it so your hero can be unique, or at least close to unique.
Only one hero per game, as in the other team cannot have the same hero as you.
Having a level advantage doesn't give you abilities that other players don't have, making it so the only way you're better than anyone else is by pure skill.
You can use voice chat.
Valve.

[Someone Special]

Graphics are better.
You can't win a 1v5 fight unless REALLY fed.
Community is about the same from what I've played from both games.
Start with all the heroes without having to pay.
Teamwork is much more important.
Dying actually has a penalty other than giving the other team gold and experience.
Heroes have item slots and not "skins" making it so your hero can be unique, or at least close to unique.
Only one hero per game, as in the other team cannot have the same hero as you.
Having a level advantage doesn't give you abilities that other players don't have, making it so the only way you're better than anyone else is by pure skill.
You can use voice chat.
Valve.

Pretty much what Cloud said. The somewhat low search times in Dota 2 are also nice in comparison from my experience with LoL.

[CR33D]

My search times in league are no more than 30 seconds. I don't know how fast DOTA times are, but 30 seconds really aren't bad at all. You can just surf the web while waiting.

[cloud]

To be fair, in my experience with league, I did have shorter wait times that with dota. Any other evidence to substantiate your claim, that league is better than dota, CR33D?

[CR33D]

Not only is it the largest E-Sport game of the last few years, Riot is an amazing company. Sure, you may have to pay for champions, but after all, it is a buisness. Riot has put millions of dollars into developing the E-Sport scene for other games as well. The gameplay is fast and action paced, and if you are good enough you can do well.

[cloud]

WOW! Just like Valve! Except for the having to pay part.

[Nikki Wolf]

i liek doto cuz antimage has my believes

[cloud]

i liek doto cuz antimage has my believes

Fuck Magic?

[Harri]

I think LOL is an overall better game. Riot puts a lot of work into making the champions even or equally as capable (there are exceptions). They do a lot of work on new patch releases and reevaluating the performances of old and new champions. Dota 2 is not that great at that. Each of the champions are OP. In addition, it is horribly dull to watch Dota 2. Once a team starts to pick up momentum- they steam roll. There are very very few comebacks in Dota 2. That is poor balancing in my opinion.

I recognize that Dota 2 has more support from Valve. However, LOL has better support in the community.


(However, in my opinion. Dota 2 players seem to have a superiority complex (a bunch of fucking hipsters really). This is the reason I like LOL. I can play ARAM or 1v1 or Normal and have fun- win or loss. Dota 2 is infuriating to me, The people are always looking to either win or troll. But that is just my opinion.)

[cloud]

There are actually very few OP heroes in dota. After the recent balance patch, the only ones that come to mind are Riki, Sniper, Huskar, and Terrorblade. Terrorblade is a new hero so they've yet to balance him. While I do think that LoL is fairly balanced, it's definately not as balanced as you claim. A few examples would be Ahri, Yasuo, Lee Sin, and Blitzcrank, and Aatrox, just to name a few. Also, on your note of teams steamrolling other teams, you aren't looking in the right places for gameplay. You can't expect a team like Orange E-sports to take on a team like Natus Vincere and actually stand a chance. The skill differences can be rather huge in some cases, and it's definately true that some of the more popular pro games are absolute steamrolls, but there are plenty of good comebacks out there as well. Also, if you say that every hero in dota is OP, doesn't that mean than none of them are OP? Think about it.

Also, I'm not going to deny that LoL has more community support than dota. That's just fact.

[Harri]

"Ahri, Yasuo, Lee Sin, and Blitzcrank, and Aatrox"

All of these champions require a high skill cap from the player and you (the opponent) facing them (skill shot skill shot skill shot). Often times, champions like blitzcrank is the best fucking Blitz if its on the opposite team. Your team mate blitz will always be trash X(

Yasuo is new. AND all of these are easily countered.

I play LOL in rank mostly. I might be very biased toward a skill view on LOL. I know there is an in between for skill in LOL. A new player can still play without frustration. Yet, LOL requires a LOT of skill that Dota 2 players do no account for. There is no "happy" skill cap for all players in Dota 2.

Plus, what I love about lol comp is that teams like Cloud 9 can be a unknown and become amazing, but still do poorly in another tournament. League has a comp scene of mystery. Who will do well this season? You just don't know.



As for the comment from someone earlier- LOL requires a lot of team work. Look at Alliance, they are all great mechanic players with no team work. They are getting a new asshole this season.

[Thret]

I think LOL is an overall better game. Riot puts a lot of work into making the champions even or equally as capable (there are exceptions). They do a lot of work on new patch releases and reevaluating the performances of old and new champions. Dota 2 is not that great at that. Each of the champions are OP. In addition, it is horribly dull to watch Dota 2. Once a team starts to pick up momentum- they steam roll. There are very very few comebacks in Dota 2. That is poor balancing in my opinion.

I recognize that Dota 2 has more support from Valve. However, LOL has better support in the community.


(However, in my opinion. Dota 2 players seem to have a superiority complex (a bunch of fucking hipsters really). This is the reason I like LOL. I can play ARAM or 1v1 or Normal and have fun- win or loss. Dota 2 is infuriating to me, The people are always looking to either win or troll. But that is just my opinion.)

Did you play Dota or LoL first? How many games of each?

Being overpowered is context based. If you took a hero from Dota and put it into LoL, it would definitely be overpowered. However, given the context of Dota, they really aren't. You could argue for a couple overpowered heroes but those characters are hard to use and cannot be used in competitive games yet.
Yes, stuns last longer and abilities have heavy mana costs compared to LoL but that's design principle. Using an ability in Dota is meant to be decisive. And while you can get killed early game and nuked down very quickly, that can easily be alleviated with enough map awareness and some caution; Dieing early and often is usually an issue of gameplay experience.

Comebacks in Dota are much easier than in LoL, I've found. Mathematically, it is definitely easier to comeback in Dota. Items in LoL become more efficient as they increase in price. The opposite is true in Dota (In addition to the many utility actives you get that are harder to quantify). Steamrolling generally happens much more often in low tier play, when people are new and smurfs are still in the pool. I've comeback from being 50 kills down, from having nothing but an ancient while the enemy still had all tier 3 towers. I've never seen a comeback like that in LoL.

Your comments lead me to believe that you've never played enough Dota to have much game sense within Dota.


As for which is better? That's your opinon OP. I personally find LoL's "meta" stale and relatively unchanging (Thanks to Riot's reinforcement of this "meta"). I feel that Riot's business model will, over time, produce some truly unimaginative champions. I'm also an old Dota player and remember the shitty things some people that work at Riot have done to the Dota community. That, in addition to me finding Dota's gameplay more satisfying, leads me to my choice.

[CR33D]

WOW! Just like Valve! Except for the having to pay part.

How about the biggest game in E-Sports, where the world final was in the hosted in the staples center?

A few examples would be Ahri, Yasuo, Lee Sin, and Blitzcrank, and Aatrox, just to name a few. Also, on your note of teams steamrolling other teams, you aren't looking in the right places for gameplay.

Ahri, Yasuo, and Aatrox were all nerfed. Lee is arguebally the highest skill capped champion in the game. Blitz isn't OP at all, just stand behind minions.

I have played a few games of Dota, but it was incredibly confusing to me. I don't think I won any of them, haha.

[cloud]

I would love to play league with either of you. I want to get a better understanding of the game. Add me. My name is I think cloudtheninth. I could be wrong, and if I am, try NubemRex. But feel free to add me, and we can play dota, if you want.

[Sk8dcenjoi]

hit me up if yall all play league or dota, I know LoL but idk much about dota, tho i have played bout 10 games of it....

[CR33D]

My username in League is Infinite Sustain.

I'm getting off for the night, but feel free to add me, and maybe we can play. I tend to take league pretty seriously though, so don't be mad if I get a little annoyed (if you aren't good ;p)

[Nikki Wolf]

At a time like this, I would have brought in my friend Tiiki, since he knew more about Dota and LoL. Sadly, he's passed on DX (he died back in August)

I haven't played LoL at all, myself. Though I would like to speak about how the champion rotations are handled:

+A free rotation for heroes is actually good for getting people to try out different champions, so people don't end up like me, where I go mostly Lifestealer or Axe in Dota. Being able to adapt helps in making one a better player, and I feel like this mechanic aids in teaching the player just that.
+As I said, I don't play, but I'm assuming Riot Games does this. I think that with a champion rotation, it can help Riot Games with balancing the game, since I'm sure a huge majority of the player base will be playing from that rotation, which can result in better feedback for later patches.
-I heard IP gain was slow, but I don't know. But either way, if you want to continue playing a champion from the rotation after it's swapped out, you'll have to pay for it. If you don't have the money, too bad. You'll just have to wait. While it does aid in helping players adapt to newer ones, they're not going to be able to improve their skills with a champion that's no longer selectable for quite a while.

It's not a system that everyone will agree with, but every system has its ups and downs. With Dota 2, yeah, you can play any hero in the pool (as long as nobody else grabbed it). But this can also lead to someone new to the game being overwhelmed with who to pick, and/or just sticking with one or two heroes for a long time, which won't help anyone. Though if you're serious enough to improve your skills with other heroes, a good way to replicate LoL's system in Dota 2 is by playing Random Draft or Least Played.

[Beartato]

HI I AM SAYING SMITE

Yep, I'm that guy who is tossing a totally unrelated third MOBA into the mix. Personally I don't find LOL or DOTA all that interesting but I'll say up front that I have limited experience with both.

Basically, Smite is a third person MOBA where even the auto-attacks are skill shots. It's rather similar to the other MOBAs in that it has three lanes and a jungle with towers in each lane. I find the game play to be a lot more engaging: You control your god and use mouse and keyboard to control him/her like an action game. And the aesthetics are really awesome. All of the "champions" are gods (e.g., Zeus, He Bo, Kali, etc.) or mythical mortals (e.g., Hercules, Arachne, etc.) and some of the objectives are myth-based like the final towers in each lane being a Phoenix (which can respawn after some time has passed).

Here's a game play vid for anyone interested:

[Fencerboy]

HI I AM SAYING SMITE

this looks fun

[check six]

beartato ur a fuckign disgusting hipster

[CR33D]

I actually think Smite is pretty fun now and them. I don't really know any of the champs though, just play once every few weeks/months.

[Mousefox13]

Awesomenauts>dota>LOL>smite
FUCK IT LETS BRING MORE GAMES IN HERE!

[CR33D]

LOL= TF2 > Bioshock >Smite > Dota

Never played Awesomenauts.

[Beartato]

Awesomenauts is pretty bad. The net code is atrocious so be prepared to die more to laggy players than skilled players. The character balance has generally gotten worse as time goes on. And the devs constantly buff and nerf random shit that they shouldn't and ignore all of the glaringly OP and UP skills. Oh and now you gotta start paying for new characters with the first DLC pack. Real money, no sort of in-game currency option. Yeah, real money to go from ~10 characters to ~14.

[HausOfJoel]

Awesomenauts is horribly unbalanced and teams normally are the same 3 heroes. Not a big fan of LoL, but then again I do have limited experience with it. Love Smite because of the mythology and how fast search times are and how fast games normally are, only complaint with it is theres always matches were someone leaves and it ruins the game. Love Dota but the community is terrible imo, that being not playing in a party and getting those stubborn/rude people on your team, or language preferences not working.

[Patrid]

Glad to see that CSN still gets it's share of spammers.

[GoDM1N]

[CR33D]

As a league player, I actually like that song.

But at the same time..