Why is it okay to trivialize rape?

[Arty_pn]

Seriously, I see this too often on the lovenest. Its shit like "Oh man, the other team got fricken raped". Should we make this a ban-able thing? We have bans on rasisim and sexism and homophobic language. Why is this still okay?

I think it goes with Bigotry as well. Warn, kick, ban.

[fingerman]

Seriously, I see this too often on the lovenest. Its shit like "Oh man, the other team got fricken raped". Should we make this a ban-able thing? We have bans on rasisim and sexism and homophobic language. Why is this still okay?

If you ban someone I will rape your admin (see definition 4).


rape

1.the unlawful compelling of a person through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
2.any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.
3.statutory rape.
4.an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation: the rape of the countryside.
5.Archaic. the act of seizing and carrying off by force.

[fingerman]

But, finger. The word "faggot" Also means "bundle of sticks". Does that make that word okay?

Do you think people are saying they want to physically penetrate the other team to have sex with them?

As far as I am concerned, faggot and nigger are the only bad words. I am not going to try to improve society beyond that. The only ship that won't float besides partnership is censorship. If people can't be mature, it's not my fault. This is a pretty stupid thing to be debating in my opinion.

[Spyder]

Just don't have a knee-jerk reaction to the word and you'll be fine.

[Repoman]

People on the internet use the archaic version of Rape.

[Drawed]

No. Nothing is wrong with using the word rape in the way that people use it in video games. Hell, I have a friend who is sadly a rape victim, and he doesn't bat an eye when he hears somebody say "Fuck, we're getting raped at spawn." Shit, he even uses the word itself.










Censorship is bad.

[Arty_pn]

Meh it is more of a personal thing with me. Then again most of my irl friends are girls and I am a babysitter so I'm oversensitive to most curse words.

[Beartato]

So this has bothered me since I read it a few weeks ago. I'll put this out in the open since it's relevant: Not only have people close to me been raped in the past (letting me see the results of the heinous act), but one of them happened back around New Year's so it's still rather fresh in my mind.

I only bring this up now because of an announcement from the CSn Elite group that calls for members to come pop one of the boxes with a "rapist watercraft." I'd guess this is our newest trialmin, who I don't mean to single out personally (I barely know the guy but he presents himself as a decent and reasonable gent from what I have seen). I just find it an notable thing for CSn to associate with itself.

Anyways, I find it to be a very weak argument that this is the "act of plunder" definition. You plunder and despoil things, so saying that about people just makes them things. Not exactly a good end. If you're despoiling or violating a person, then you've just drifted into the realm of the other definitions, which indeed trivializes the heinous act. It's the equivalent of saying an act of spawn camping is just a mini-Holocaust; it's an incredibly poor choice of words. And then there's the fact that we have insta-ban words with alternative definitions that are apparently no-nos. Why I can't I describe how my spy "flicks aside a burning fag and stomps on it as he runs into battle" when doing my disguise kit taunt? That's some major dissonance in the rules.

The fact of the matter is that we have people who are more than wiling to overstep the line. Yes, most individuals on the server are saying "rape" in the non-sexual-violence way, but there are going to be bad apples who think it's edgy to start running with the other definition and likely get graphic with it. After all, even our servers (which I find to be rather mature) had numerous players talking about how they wanted to shoot up elementary schools the night of the Newtown tragedy. And not just random shitheads, but people who regularly use the server.

It's fortunate for people like Drew's friend that he has done well in coping with his experiences, but that's not the case for everyone. There are a lot of things that would seem not unreasonable to most people but can server as a trigger for someone who has been victimized, especially if they have suffered from PTSD, anxiety disorder, etc. from their attack.

I understand that this server is not meant to change the world and that insta-banning the word "rape" would be rather extreme and likely send off a lot of players. I guess all I would suggest is explicitly stating in the rules that using the word in a way that implies the act of sexualized violence and the explicit descriptions of sexualized violence will result in action from the administrators (as you guys deem fitting). I doubt it would be an oft invoked rule (as banning the use of homophobic and racial slurs keeps most of the "so edgy" idiots off the server), but it would be a much better peace of mind for individuals like myself (and perhaps Arty?) than simply "this discussion is stupid." Because dear Gaben, that snippy remark left me steaming for a bit.The irony of trivializing a discussion of trivializing rape...and from a redmin. Really took me by surprise.

Anyways, my two cents.

PS: And to be honest, just writing this is most of my catharsis. There's a feeling of helplessness as someone close to a rape victim in knowing that someone you know has been victimized. Obviously nowhere near as much as the victim, but it is enough to keep you up at night sometimes feeling guilty about thinking you haven't done anything/enough to prevent what happened. So that's off my chest at least.

[CR33D]

Damn, that's deep. Although I do agree to some extent, I believe that most people do not physically mean rape. Most people (suprisingly) are pretty nice and would never, ever think about raping someone. If you find it offensive, you should probably mute them. Also, I never hear people talking about school shootings- what server do you visit most of the time?

[doller]

Personally, I have no strong aversion to hearing "rape" in conversation, although I myself don't use it. I do not believe that people who use "rape" in TF2 when gloating over a victory mean to bring up any relevant memories-they are not thinking about "raping" the person they fragged in the same sense as you are.

[Arty_pn]

I agree with Beartato. Besides I don't welcome being told "you'll be red in the ass after I rape you", which did in fact happened in the Lovenest. I believe Banana wanted to have this discussion for that purpose.
However it does seem that the previous quote is deemed harassment, so I assume fingerman's intention was as long as they aren't picking on each other.

[Rapecruise]

I really didn't mean anything by it Beartato And I assure you I did not mean it in the literal term. I think it's pretty much a given that if someone is being graphic and literal about the term "rape" , and using it in that manner , that is no good. I've heard the term used since I began playing online shooters. In my opinion using it has become basic gaming jargon for the destruction of the enemy team. I understand you didn't write the whole post singling me out , and I don't take it that way at all, I just thought I might clear up my personal thinking of the word in case there was any confusion that I was actually mocking something like literal rape.. I would never do that.

In order to trivialize something, the person would first have to be talking literally about the act of actual rape, and then consequently the ignoring or abuse of such comments. So I personally don't see anything being trivialized, I really just see a term that's used in online multiplayer games. I wouldn't go play basketball at the park and tell the other team I was going to rape them... Anyways Beartato I do apologize if I offended you or anybody else with the announcement.

[Maringue]

Says the guy who's name is Rapecruise

I kid I kid. But it's good to have the discussion about it though.

[megamoose]

I say that the Love Nest should maybe have a censor for bad words like N* and F*? That way, we wont have people saying them. Sorry if this has already been discussed, new to suggestions really!

[Beartato]

I really didn't mean anything by it Beartato And I assure you I did not mean it in the literal term. I think it's pretty much a given that if someone is being graphic and literal about the term "rape" , and using it in that manner , that is no good. I've heard the term used since I began playing online shooters. In my opinion using it has become basic gaming jargon for the destruction of the enemy team. I understand you didn't write the whole post singling me out , and I don't take it that way at all, I just thought I might clear up my personal thinking of the word in case there was any confusion that I was actually mocking something like literal rape.. I would never do that.

In order to trivialize something, the person would first have to be talking literally about the act of actual rape, and then consequently the ignoring or abuse of such comments. So I personally don't see anything being trivialized, I really just see a term that's used in online multiplayer games. I wouldn't go play basketball at the park and tell the other team I was going to rape them... Anyways Beartato I do apologize if I offended you or anybody else with the announcement.

Hey don't worry about it Cruise. Like I said, you seem like a good guy. I know where you're coming from. I've been a heavy internet user for over a decade now and have at times frequented some communities that reveled in casual racism, homophobia, etc. I don't wince when I here things like "OP is a faggot", "newfag", etc. because over time that usage of it has grown a completely separate (and inoffensive) meaning from what it would be in so many other contexts (e.g., basketball in the park).

I believe that you don't need to be taking about the actual act to trivialize it. To me, it's a word with a lot of gravity. When I hear the word's alternative definition used, I think of a heavy amount of desecration or violation. Like "the rape of the countryside" would be like that scene of the Native American shedding a tear over the littered landscape that was once his tribe's sacred home, not something like a well manicured lawn with tire marks. (But hey, maybe someone can love a awn enough to say that some jerk "raped their sod.") To me, the word holds a lot of gravity and using it to describe something in a video game really trivializes that fact. It's like the Holocaust example I used: A couple of cartoon characters being killed at spawn really isn't appropriate to equate with the gruesome fate that those millions of people met.

Ultimately, I don't think what you did was terrible, but it really made me think this discussion is worth having in the community since it's not at all stupid when semi-official announcements are going to make mention of it. And as I said, I know where you're coming from. I wouldn't be too bothered by a community where homophobic slurs weren't banned because the word is practically the same to "dude" for me, but I did choose a community that forbids it because I feel that it's a good way to eliminate "edgy" 14 year olds and people who hate everybody they can, which really are two groups I have short patience with when I just want to relieve some stress after work.

So yeah, no worries about anything and sorry again that I had to single you out. Like I said, you seem like a cool dude, but you have an unfortunate name in my book.

[Newport]

#Beartatoforprez

[Hatred]

i think there are 2 major points here ...

first fingerman has the best point ... its like comparing apples and bananas ... like like ppl dont walk around saying im gonna find you and rape you ... most ppl say stuff like "oh you guys are being raped" or "we are being raped" ... where as nig*er and fa*got are always used as a direct attack at specific ppl ...

and second beartato - you have a good point some ppl have had bad experiences ... and may take offence

my 2 cents until ppl use it as a direct attack on someone or a group or ppl it shouldnt be a issue ... personally i prefer to say damn im getting dicked but does that fall under the rule ? i hope not or i gotta find a new phrase ....

[Alchemist]

9 out of 10 people enjoy gang rape.

[Beartato]

i think there are 2 major points here ...

first fingerman has the best point ... its like comparing apples and bananas ... like like ppl dont walk around saying im gonna find you and rape you ... most ppl say stuff like "oh you guys are being raped" or "we are being raped" ... where as nig*er and fa*got are always used as a direct attack at specific ppl ...

and second beartato - you have a good point some ppl have had bad experiences ... and may take offence

my 2 cents until ppl use it as a direct attack on someone or a group or ppl it shouldnt be a issue ... personally i prefer to say damn im getting dicked but does that fall under the rule ? i hope not or i gotta find a new phrase ....

What if we have two black dudes on the server saying stuff like "nig" and "my niggah" to each other? What about people who come from the corner of the internet where people are "newfags", "oldfags", "moralfags", "sagefags", etc? In both those cases, the words aren't attacks; they're friendly terms. They're also, to my understanding, banned, even in those friendly uses. And in both the case of nigger and fag, there are alternative definitions:

Definition of NIGGER

1 usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a black person
2 usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a member of any dark-skinned race
3: a member of a socially disadvantaged class of persons <it's time for somebody to lead all of America's niggers … all the people who feel left out of the political process — Ron Dellums>

Definition of FAG

intransitive verb
: to work hard : toil
transitive verb
: to tire by strenuous activity : exhaust <fagged by the strenuous climb>

It's not apples and oranges at all. The thing that separates those two words from rape are that (1) those slurs are much more obviously offensive and (2) those slurs are not a traditional part of the gamer lexicon. We've all learned about how slurs and racism/homophobia are wrong through our education. At least in the US, a lot of effort has been made to get past our history of hate and exploitation so for most of us, it's plain obvious that those words are incredibly inappropriate. We are not brought up to understand rape culture and see what is so wrong about it, which is unfortunate. The trivialization of it by frivolous uses of the word is arguably part of that.

In the end though, I do understand that it's practically a different word in the gamer lexicon, just as fag is in online communities and nigger is to backs. I honestly am only dogging people about this here in hopes that it provokes some thought since it is far from a stupid conversation. I don't expect the word to be banned, but I would hope there is consideration to add to the rules that explicitly talking about the violent act will result in measures as severe as those for using the banned slurs. Those aren't simply inappropriate and offensive, but can be massively devastating for anyone with PTSD from a past rape that is triggered. It's painful to know that someone can be brought right back to the act just by hearing particular words, and we know there are people out there douche-y enough to push this limit.

[Beartato]

9 out of 10 people enjoy gang rape.

I thought you weren't a pile of shit. Guess I was wrong.

But at least you're helping my case.

[check six]

Pretty sure Alchemist really enjoys double standards. Once I made a really bad gay joke and he got his panties in a serious knot. Now he makes a rape joke and doesn't see anything wrong with that. Alchemist is a fucking asshole, and I'm kind of amazed that you didn't find that out earlier. Also incredibly, INCREDIBLY arrogant.
Like, not that humor isn't something that's supposed to be inoffensive; in fact, a lot of humor is based around provoking a reaction and clearly this joke is dark enough so that we feel bad about chuckling about it.
That said, rape is bad, I dunno if it's ever gonna be possible to phase it out of the vidya that we play, but I mean there's a difference between "YOU WERE LITERALLY RAPED BY THAT AIRSHOT" and "I AM GOING TO COME TO YOUR HOUSE AND LITERALLY RAPE THE SKULL OUT OF YOUR HEAD". I don't really see the point of getting all bent up over a single word when you can just disable chat or something.
Really, if somebody is being a shitlord, go and be a bigger shitlord to them and dominate them until they ragequit the server. Outplay people. Control flanks. Make it so that they spam their shitty binds over and over again. Honestly just deal with it. I know how Failhorse said that you don't have a "toughen up" policy, but that's really the only thing you can do. Suck it up and deal with it. People use the word "rape" a lot in offensive contexts. Shitsux. Tough life. Just don't ban words because they're offensive to some people. I understand 'faggot' and 'nigger' and 'niggerfaggot', but like, this is a video game. You're only gonna be able to control what people say to a certain extent without being oppressive.

Also I'm kind of offended that there are people who now have unfunnier binds than I did and don't get banned (COUGH COUGH ROSEY AND RD COUGH). Also because I hate fun, lemme just note that the mumble channel is anarchic and absolutely horrid and not funny like it used to be.

Mmm, this is a pretty bad post. No real cohesion. Whatever~

[Maringue]

He got his panties in a twist because using racial or homophobic slurs is strictly against the rules in our servers...

[Alchemist]

He got his panties in a twist because using racial or homophobic slurs is strictly against the rules in our servers...

[Rosey]

Also I'm kind of offended that there are people who now have unfunnier binds than I did and don't get banned (COUGH COUGH ROSEY AND RD COUGH). Also because I hate fun, lemme just note that the mumble channel is anarchic and absolutely horrid and not funny like it used to be.

That implies you got banned for bind spamming which you didnt
the internet is anarchic in the first place
you only hate mumble because the only people that go on it often is me and rd

Suck it up and deal with it.

Shitsux. Tough life.

[check six]

I've got a lot more on the subject of you two, but for the record they could have, like, told me to "STOP BEING AN ANGRY BITCH" before they banned me. Never really quite understood why my rectumprolapsed forum posts were ground enough to completely exile me from the community that I cared about for a while, I will admit I was totally retarded with the sourcebans thing though, did NOT think that one through. Still, "trolling" is so general I could have gotten some specifics.

That said arguments about LANGUAGE IN AN ONLINE VIDEO GAME never end well. You're seeking to change an institution and pillar of the videojuegos, and fuck if that's gonna work. Can't really say if the usage of the word is right or not, but it's a really commonly accepted part of the vernacular and I'd say you're insane if you believe that anybody who uses the word is actively espousing rape culture.

[Beartato]

I don't see why anyone thinks the purpose of proposing this is to change the world. Is that why we don't allow racial and homophobic slurs? To change the world? I always assumed it was so that a specific kind of community could be created. I thought it was so we would have a community of individuals who were tolerant, respectful to each other, played to have fun, kept the trash talk light (or creative), etc. How does a rule against explicitly raping another payer not fit in with that idea? I'm not even talking about the use of the word in a non-threatening way (such-and-such team is getting raped at spawn), although I once again remind everyone that we've banned the uses of certain slurs that aren't slurs (e.g., "to fag" means "to tire someone out").

I'd say you're insane if you believe that anybody who uses the word is actively espousing rape culture.

see

9 out of 10 people enjoy gang rape.

Point proven in this very thread that some douchebags are ready and willing to inappropriately escalate from using the word in a not-so-offensive manner to trivializing the incredibly violent and heinous act.

[check six]

Well it's not like I have a say in it anyway. If you need new ways to insult/annoy people with binds feel free to hit me up through a proxy person or something. Guaranteed these binds don't involve rape, just pedophilia, crossdressing, and other possibly offensive and/or disturbing things. It's a community and stuff, ultimately it's somebody else's decision what kinda shit talk is involved.

Dunno what my point is.

[Beartato]

So any chance for a response from a redmin? I did call out fingerman for glossing over something that really should have some level of discussion as shown by myself and what some others have said. Also Alchemist is just allowed to say shit like that? That's straight up trolling/flaming and shouldn't have any place in either this board (Intense Debate) or really the forum/community at all.

So yeah, it'd be nice if any of you redmin who have been on since over a week ago would say something.

[Maringue]

If you're looking for a redmin to come in here and say, "Do this, I said so", it ain't gonna happen.

We are never going to start banning people for saying, "Dude, we totally raped your team." Sorry.

[Vetos]

WOW REALLY

FOUR PAGES AND NO TRIGGER WARNINGS

YOU GUYS ARE SICK

[Maringue]

Whaaaa

[check six]

If I got banned for being mad then Alchemist should be banned for being offensive.

#nofucks

[Beartato]

If you're looking for a redmin to come in here and say, "Do this, I said so", it ain't gonna happen.

We are never going to start banning people for saying, "Dude, we totally raped your team." Sorry.

Have you read a single post of mine? Because I haven't said either of those things.

Seriously. (But thanks for ignoring the issue of Alchemist's post again! Shows that you guys actually care. [BTW, Vetos is trolling too. Posting in Intense Debate is for the lulz, it seems.])

[Vetos]

I'm pretty sure this has been "debated" on the forums at least twice in the past. Always with the same outcome; a handful of social justice nerds try and fail to sway a majority of people who couldn't give a shit less because they aren't politically correct codpieces. You could take this argument and apply it to anything. We shouldn't say "owned" anymore because slavery was a thing and it might offend African American or Slavic people whose ancestors were actually owned by other people. I'm not saying rape is a trivial thing because it's not, but the precedent attempting to be set here is retarded. Fuck censorship.

[Beartato]

Sweet strawman argument. Let me know when you've read what I've wrote and we can perhaps talk about it. I've pretty explicitly said already that what I've talked about hasn't been a full out ban on the word "rape".

Besides, all of you "fuck censorship" yahoos sure haven't said shit about the slurs that are banned despite having alternative meanings separate from their offensive ones. That's the retarded precedent that sets up issues like this.

[Newport]

Can't we all just get along!

[Maringue]

It's not a strawman argument. As an admin who's been around a long, long time, I have only heard someone use rape in the "I'm going to force myself on you sexually" sense once or twice. Ever. Greater than 99% of the usage of rape is said in the "We rolled over your team like a Mac truck through a field of daisies" sense of the word. And please don't give me the "But a faggot is a bundle of sticks," argument. It's not in the vernacular, nobody uses that definition in their everyday speech, so it's not the same.

Basically, we're not going to start legislating rules for something that isn't really a problem in the first place. The balance we try to strike is to prohibit things that are primarily meant to be exclusionary, like racial and homophobic slurs, while not turning into a no swearing server that would have little mass appeal and would sit empty most of the time. I'm not going to start telling people they have to stop saying something merely because it's offensive.

[Beartato]

I appreciate the reply, Maringue. Honestly, the thing that bugged me most was that every admin wanted to ignore this. It took over a week to get any response. I definitely understand how you guys have to manage a server in a way to not be exclusionary while also not being boring. I'd just throw in that I've not been playing here for a long, long time, but I have heard rape used in the offensive context a few times (~2-3). It's not rampant, but it's not non-existent.

But that reply leaves the topic of Alchemist's post once again avoided. Pretty flagrant violation of this forum's rules, clearly an attempt to flame/troll, and he straight up used rape in a highly offensive manner (one of the few times I've seen it happen on CSn). According to the sticky, that calls for him to be banned from Intense Debate, which I can't imagine would be much of a loss for the forum or for him.

[Fencerboy]

I appreciate the reply, Maringue. Honestly, the thing that bugged me most was that every admin wanted to ignore this. It took over a week to get any response. I definitely understand how you guys have to manage a server in a way to not be exclusionary while also not being boring. I'd just throw in that I've not been playing here for a long, long time, but I have heard rape used in the offensive context a few times (~2-3). It's not rampant, but it's not non-existent.

But that reply leaves the topic of Alchemist's post once again avoided. Pretty flagrant violation of this forum's rules, clearly an attempt to flame/troll, and he straight up used rape in a highly offensive manner (one of the few times I've seen it happen on CSn). According to the sticky, that calls for him to be banned from Intense Debate, which I can't imagine would be much of a loss for the forum or for him.

So what do you want to happen?

[Beartato]

I want it to look like admins aren't ignoring the things I've brought up. I understand if the verdict goes against what I hope for because at the end of the day, it's not me steering this community. I'd love to be a part of this community and help improve it, which I hope I've demonstrated since I joined at the beginning of last summer, but it won't seem worth my time if all I expect are disrespect from other members and forced ignorance of the admins when those times come up.

Render a judgment as you see fit. Just don't keep the issue swept under the rug when you notice one person has pretty clearly ticked off another.

[Vetos]

They probably ignored it because they've all seen the argument forced at least three times in varied media and each time the end result was exactly the same and they are tired of regurgitating responses to non-issues.

or maybe they are bad admins tsk tsk

[LegendarySurgeon]

I want it to look like admins aren't ignoring the things I've brought up. I understand if the verdict goes against what I hope for because at the end of the day, it's not me steering this community. I'd love to be a part of this community and help improve it, which I hope I've demonstrated since I joined at the beginning of last summer, but it won't seem worth my time if all I expect are disrespect from other members and forced ignorance of the admins when those times come up.

Render a judgment as you see fit. Just don't keep the issue swept under the rug when you notice one person has pretty clearly ticked off another.

Ok, so here's the deal. It's possible that nobody wants to respond to you because they've already responded to my thread in the admin lounge back in August so this is sort of a tired thing, especially because I was kind of a dick about it, as opposed to your more measured thread (to emphasize, Maringue is responding to you whereas I warranted only trolling).

In terms of an admin response, here are the highlights / only meaningful responses from my thread.



--- BLUE ADMIN 1 ---

when someone says rape, they dont mean it by it's definition. to some people the word has been watered down so much to mean nothing, and to others, its an inherently offensive word because of its definition. i would say the great majority of the gaming community fits into the first description. this is really the same argument as the ones about saying "faggot", "nigger", etc except not as offensive IMO. that being said, i dont have a problem with the word, because i know when it is used its not meant to offend people. That is just me though, i dont take offense to things that arent used to specifically to offend someone/me.
however,
i remember watching an interview with dave chapelle and maya angelou where they talked about using the word "nigger", and angelou said something like (and im paraphrasing)
"if you take poison and put it in a crystal glass, on a fancy table, and drink it, its still poison."
that applies here as well, and so i can see why someone would want to ban the word, because regardless of what definition an individual may give a word, there is a textbook definition, which pegs the word as offensive.


--- BLUE ADMIN 2 ---

I am not offended by it. I myself will jokingly yell 'YOU JUST GOT RAAAAAAPED" or "raaaaaaapppped" i know it sounds terrible but i hear people laugh on the servers about it all the time. The actualy meaning of rape? Cmon dude, we're not saying "hey you just got sexually harassed by force possibly making you pregnant haw haw" no we're saying "you just got mowed down by a minigun like a fool" or "i just blew you to bits, let mike tyson's tiger feed on you and your soul"

I'm sorry if i sound blunt here, but ban it? Say no to not saying/using it in game? C'mon.


--- BLUE ADMIN 3 ---

Here are my thoughts. Rape is a very horrifying act that destroys a persons life and social skills. Rape, as a word is not offensive matter of fact it has other meanings other than forced sex. People can be offended by many words, and unless the word itself is to offend then there isn't a problem we can realistically solve. On top of that, it has become so common in video games it has grown a new meaning for gamers. If a player says "We just got raped" they are saying they're team got rolled. Now If a person was to say something like "I'm going to rape you" after finding out we have a actual rape victim on the server, I would mute/kick/ban him in a matter of secs. This goes for any word or picture to me that could offend someone. If a person is truly offended by something, I deal with it on a case by case basis because we cant just ban everything that could be offensive because everything could be offensive to someone. For example arachnophobia, we cant ban spiders from CSn however if someone is following someone else around with a spider spray because they know that person doesn't like spiders the guy is just being a dick and should be removed.


TL;DR: No bullying


--- BLUE ADMIN 4 ---

Actions speak much louder than words IMO. As we discussed ad infinitum in the "c-word" thread, I think language is harmless unless it's being used to harass, when it is never OK. Some words are almost entirely used to harass people, but I don't see the problem when they're not. Exceptions go to words that can only be use hatefully (racial slurs, etc)


--- PINK ADMIN ---

People using language just to piss off admins or players on purpose are usually on my kick list. Other than that, I don't see much of a language problem on the fun server. Every now and then someone is stupid and a mute or kick will shut them up.

[Maringue]

But that reply leaves the topic of Alchemist's post once again avoided. Pretty flagrant violation of this forum's rules, clearly an attempt to flame/troll, and he straight up used rape in a highly offensive manner (one of the few times I've seen it happen on CSn). According to the sticky, that calls for him to be banned from Intense Debate, which I can't imagine would be much of a loss for the forum or for him.

As one of your forum mods, I'm not ignoring it. I'm also not going to ban someone for having a sense of humor, regardless of what section it's posted in. He made a single comment that was obvious hyperbole as a joke. There was no attempt to derail or divert the discussion, so in my judgement nothing needs to be done.

And to reiterate, the admins are not all commenting here because we've already had this discussion at length. Just not in public.

[Beartato]

Thanks for the responses Maringue and Surgeon. I still don't agree with your judgment of Alchemist's post (although I would agree it doesn't necessitate a ban), but I will respect it. In the least, I do feel it was out of place, but whatever. I'm ready to put this behind me now that I've tried all your pateience..

[Repoman]

Its not a matter of patience, its a matter of interest.

Most of us dont care, because Id say most of us now are at that point that we work alot in real life or go to school.
These things on the internet are not of relevant interests.
When you do stuff in real life and I mean real deal things, the care when it comes to trivial things such as this do not matter so much.

[Beartato]

Its not a matter of patience, its a matter of interest.

Most of us dont care, because Id say most of us now are at that point that we work alot in real life or go to school.
These things on the internet are not of relevant interests.
When you do stuff in real life and I mean real deal things, the care when it comes to trivial things such as this do not matter so much.

I meant more patience for putting up with my complaining, lol.

And I hear you there. I didn't really play video games or do internet stuff for much of my college years. But now that I'm out and perusing for a real job, I got the time to squandor.