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by Balubish » Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:08 pm

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21 novCS:GO competitive scene in hacking scandal, 3 players banned
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Admissions of hacking by three professional CS:GO players have cast a shadow of suspicion on the CS:GO competitive scene. The outed players, Hovik "KQLY" Tovmassian, Simon "smn" Beck, and Gordon "Sf" Giry each received in-game bans through VAC earlier this week. The revelations call into question the players past performances, both during online tournaments and at LAN events, where the cheat, which allegedly connects through a player s Steam Workshop, could have been used. For some in the scene, the news also presents the uncomfortable possibility that other professional players have used similar, still-undetected cheats in tournament play.

These revelations could not have come at a worse time for CS:GO e-sports—we re days away from the biggest tournament in the game s history, DreamHack Winter 2014.

Professional CS:GO players have been VAC banned before, but arguably not such high-profile players. KQLY, the most prominent player of the three, admitted in a statement on Facebook (that I ve translated from French using Facebook s integrated tool) that he had used a third-party program for seven days. KQLY denied using the program while he was a member of Titan (during the DreamHack Invitational, for example, which Titan won). As you may have seen yesterday, I was banned by VAC and unfortunately it was justified, KQLY wrote. I wanted to say that I am really sorry for all the people who supported me, I am aware that with my bullshit, my career is now over and my team in a very bad position. They did not deserve it.

When he was offered use of the program, KQLY says, the provider reassured him that many pro players were using it.

This is a cheat that doesn t have anything visible on the screen. The only way you d know if someone did it is if you caught them at the point they installed it on that machine and activated it.
KQLY has been cut by Titan, who along with Epsilon have been disqualified from DreamHack Winter 2014 by the tournament s organizers. Their expulsion is a huge blow to both organizations, who have spent weeks training for a chance to compete for the event s quarter-million-dollar prize pool. Speaking to Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet, DreamHack s Head of e-sports Tomas Lyckedal expressed surprise. "I don t think a pro player has been banned like this since 2001. Of course people have been caught cheating but it s always been semi professionals, never established players. And it s a shame it has to happen so close before the tournament, he said. I really hope that this doesn t happen to more teams, but this has to be a clean sport so if it happens then so be it.

Lyckedal also pledged that DreamHack will take special precautions at DreamHack Winter 2014. Playing in Titan and Epsilon s place will be the winners of a Last Call Qualifier organized by DreamHack that takes place on Saturday.

On Friday, Titan issued a statement condemning KQLY s actions. As it did so, Titan also criticized Valve for not working directly with teams to remedy the situation. After KQLY s ban was revealed, Titan says it contacted Valve but was eventually met with dead silence after their initial email exchange. "Valve opted for a unilateral decision, handing out collective punishment with complete disregard for team involvement in the problem solving process. I contacted Valve earlier today for comment but have not received a response.


The nature of the hack
KQLY s ban was preceded by the ban of Simon "smn" Beck on ESEA, a third-party client used by competitive players to find matches and pick-up games. According to ex-pro and HLTV.org contributor Tomi Lurppis Kovanen, Valve contacted ESEA when it learned of the cheat. The bans of KQLY and Sf that followed, it would seem, were a result of Valve updating VAC to detect the cheat that smn used on ESEA.

The cheat in question is allegedly very difficult to detect, so much so it s not out of the question for it to have been used at live LAN events. E-sports commentator Duncan Thooorin Shields took to YouTube (embedded above) to speak about the scandal—primarily to call for calm and an end to the witch hunt for other potential hackers that s overtaken some fans in the scene in the past few days—but he also gave his own explanation for the type of hack that was allegedly used.

It s a cheat that doesn t even have an extreme effect—unless you really abuse it—it has layers to it where it can just give you a slight advantage in aiming, says Shields in the video. So if you re already one of the best players in the world, it ll make it so you just look like you re having your best game. It won t even seem like you re hacking and that was an impossible movement. He continues, This is a cheat that doesn t have anything visible on the screen. The only way you d know if someone did it is if you caught them at the point they installed it on that machine and activated it.

The impact
Titan and Epsilon s disqualification from DreamHack Winter sours the excitement around CS:GO s biggest tournament of the year. For some, the bans have created a cloud of suspicion around other teams and players. Smn, the originally banned player, commented on a livestream on Friday about his ban and the incident, allegedly saying that as much as 40% of the pro scene is using hacks.

Of course, that's one person's statement, and it should not be taken as the certain truth. It remains to be seen whether more players will be VAC banned, and whether Valve will take further action, though some members of the community are already anticipating more bad news. I believe it s important to temper our suspicion and not jump to conclusions that any one team or player is guilty until there s hard evidence to suggest that they cheated.

It s been exciting over the past year or so to watch CS:GO blossom into an e-sport that draws hundreds of thousands of spectators at once. And it s been exciting to see the scene grow to support dozens of players and teams around the world. Fighting the hack-making industry, as we ve previously investigated, is a constantly evolving struggle for studios like Valve, who can t be expected to quash every single assistance program—it s part of the cost of building a popular competitive game. Valve does, however, in cooperation with leagues and teams, have the power to make the punishment for hacking so unpalatable that fewer pros and non-pros would pursue it. Whatever happens next, it s going to make for a fascinating tournament at DreamHack next week.

Personal note: I had my ideas by this. This is for all games. Who says a YouTuber or a Pro doesnt have to hack, it doesnt. Thats is why I ban everyone "Even popular ppl", it doesnt matter.
Just because you play pro or beeing popular internet duuude, it just doesnt matter, ppl from all lvls hack, even those ones. Now think about that for a while :)
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Re: CS:GO Pro Players VAC Banned - Discuss

by Harri » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:08 pm

I'm really happy they are cracking down on pro hacks. However, hacking in itself is a growing disease in gaming. Its evolving so fast that VAC is struggling to keep up. Some of these hacks are next level smart. Trigger hacks still blow my mind.
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Re: CS:GO Pro Players VAC Banned - Discuss

by Someone Special » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:14 pm

Balubish wrote:Counter-Strike: Global Offensive This is ripped off from Steam so if you wanna read it more then here is the link: http://store.steampowered.com/news/?appids=730
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21 novCS:GO competitive scene in hacking scandal, 3 players banned
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Admissions of hacking by three professional CS:GO players have cast a shadow of suspicion on the CS:GO competitive scene. The outed players, Hovik "KQLY" Tovmassian, Simon "smn" Beck, and Gordon "Sf" Giry each received in-game bans through VAC earlier this week. The revelations call into question the players past performances, both during online tournaments and at LAN events, where the cheat, which allegedly connects through a player s Steam Workshop, could have been used. For some in the scene, the news also presents the uncomfortable possibility that other professional players have used similar, still-undetected cheats in tournament play.

These revelations could not have come at a worse time for CS:GO e-sports—we re days away from the biggest tournament in the game s history, DreamHack Winter 2014.

Professional CS:GO players have been VAC banned before, but arguably not such high-profile players. KQLY, the most prominent player of the three, admitted in a statement on Facebook (that I ve translated from French using Facebook s integrated tool) that he had used a third-party program for seven days. KQLY denied using the program while he was a member of Titan (during the DreamHack Invitational, for example, which Titan won). As you may have seen yesterday, I was banned by VAC and unfortunately it was justified, KQLY wrote. I wanted to say that I am really sorry for all the people who supported me, I am aware that with my bullshit, my career is now over and my team in a very bad position. They did not deserve it.

When he was offered use of the program, KQLY says, the provider reassured him that many pro players were using it.

This is a cheat that doesn t have anything visible on the screen. The only way you d know if someone did it is if you caught them at the point they installed it on that machine and activated it.
KQLY has been cut by Titan, who along with Epsilon have been disqualified from DreamHack Winter 2014 by the tournament s organizers. Their expulsion is a huge blow to both organizations, who have spent weeks training for a chance to compete for the event s quarter-million-dollar prize pool. Speaking to Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet, DreamHack s Head of e-sports Tomas Lyckedal expressed surprise. "I don t think a pro player has been banned like this since 2001. Of course people have been caught cheating but it s always been semi professionals, never established players. And it s a shame it has to happen so close before the tournament, he said. I really hope that this doesn t happen to more teams, but this has to be a clean sport so if it happens then so be it.

Lyckedal also pledged that DreamHack will take special precautions at DreamHack Winter 2014. Playing in Titan and Epsilon s place will be the winners of a Last Call Qualifier organized by DreamHack that takes place on Saturday.

On Friday, Titan issued a statement condemning KQLY s actions. As it did so, Titan also criticized Valve for not working directly with teams to remedy the situation. After KQLY s ban was revealed, Titan says it contacted Valve but was eventually met with dead silence after their initial email exchange. "Valve opted for a unilateral decision, handing out collective punishment with complete disregard for team involvement in the problem solving process. I contacted Valve earlier today for comment but have not received a response.


The nature of the hack
KQLY s ban was preceded by the ban of Simon "smn" Beck on ESEA, a third-party client used by competitive players to find matches and pick-up games. According to ex-pro and HLTV.org contributor Tomi Lurppis Kovanen, Valve contacted ESEA when it learned of the cheat. The bans of KQLY and Sf that followed, it would seem, were a result of Valve updating VAC to detect the cheat that smn used on ESEA.

The cheat in question is allegedly very difficult to detect, so much so it s not out of the question for it to have been used at live LAN events. E-sports commentator Duncan Thooorin Shields took to YouTube (embedded above) to speak about the scandal—primarily to call for calm and an end to the witch hunt for other potential hackers that s overtaken some fans in the scene in the past few days—but he also gave his own explanation for the type of hack that was allegedly used.

It s a cheat that doesn t even have an extreme effect—unless you really abuse it—it has layers to it where it can just give you a slight advantage in aiming, says Shields in the video. So if you re already one of the best players in the world, it ll make it so you just look like you re having your best game. It won t even seem like you re hacking and that was an impossible movement. He continues, This is a cheat that doesn t have anything visible on the screen. The only way you d know if someone did it is if you caught them at the point they installed it on that machine and activated it.

The impact
Titan and Epsilon s disqualification from DreamHack Winter sours the excitement around CS:GO s biggest tournament of the year. For some, the bans have created a cloud of suspicion around other teams and players. Smn, the originally banned player, commented on a livestream on Friday about his ban and the incident, allegedly saying that as much as 40% of the pro scene is using hacks.

Of course, that's one person's statement, and it should not be taken as the certain truth. It remains to be seen whether more players will be VAC banned, and whether Valve will take further action, though some members of the community are already anticipating more bad news. I believe it s important to temper our suspicion and not jump to conclusions that any one team or player is guilty until there s hard evidence to suggest that they cheated.

It s been exciting over the past year or so to watch CS:GO blossom into an e-sport that draws hundreds of thousands of spectators at once. And it s been exciting to see the scene grow to support dozens of players and teams around the world. Fighting the hack-making industry, as we ve previously investigated, is a constantly evolving struggle for studios like Valve, who can t be expected to quash every single assistance program—it s part of the cost of building a popular competitive game. Valve does, however, in cooperation with leagues and teams, have the power to make the punishment for hacking so unpalatable that fewer pros and non-pros would pursue it. Whatever happens next, it s going to make for a fascinating tournament at DreamHack next week.

Personal note: I had my ideas by this. This is for all games. Who says a YouTuber or a Pro doesnt have to hack, it doesnt. Thats is why I ban everyone "Even popular ppl", it doesnt matter.
Just because you play pro or beeing popular internet duuude, it just doesnt matter, ppl from all lvls hack, even those ones. Now think about that for a while :)

Amen, I'd probably do the same. If they're hacking, they get no remorse. I'm glad they're cracking down.
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by Harri » Thu Nov 27, 2014 11:45 am

Witch hunt continues today with group whoops with iBUYPOWER and Copenhagen Wolves. Thanksgiving fun guys!

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by GoDM1N » Sat Nov 29, 2014 8:33 pm

Can I get a TLDR version of whats going on with this? Seen people talk about it, but no idea whats actually going on with it.
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Re: CS:GO Pro Players VAC Banned - Discuss

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GoDM1N wrote:Can I get a TLDR version of whats going on with this? Seen people talk about it, but no idea whats actually going on with it.


Client Hack, pro players banned, teams removed from tournaments, conducting "witch hunts" in search of supposed hackers.
(Hack makes it a little easier to aim)
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He explains it around 7 Minutes 55 Seconds, the hack
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Re: CS:GO Pro Players VAC Banned - Discuss

by Balubish » Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:14 pm

Someone Special wrote:
GoDM1N wrote:Can I get a TLDR version of whats going on with this? Seen people talk about it, but no idea whats actually going on with it.


Client Hack, pro players banned, teams removed from tournaments, conducting "witch hunts" in search of supposed hackers.
(Hack makes it a little easier to aim)
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He explains it around 7 Minutes 55 Seconds, the hack


Haha love this guy entusiasm. But he have right on one point, it destroys E-Sports. As far as I know "Heard" they found two hackers on comp pro lvl with a price pot of 250.000 fuckin dollars and dont suspect shit to go out on the internet! Cmon. Shit like that feed gamers all over the world as big ass news. And valve disqualified the team cause yeah they lost 2 players in general cause of the VAC ban. And flew in 2 new teams. To continue the comp. And couple of hours ago. Linus Tech Tips talked about another thing that was exploiting of the map. Basicly standing on a pixel in mid air on another team mate. And that guy had was sniper and had overview on that map on 3 main ways of four with some sort of bot. But if that is the same ppl im not sure. Starting to get confusing really.
And why are ppl so surprised it finally happened?! Sport = some mofo cheats, its called "Doping" Hack = E-Sport Doping See the similarites :)
Oh man, im just wondering how many ass hole mios that slipped through under other years.
I feel more sorry for the clan mates that played with them and the ppl that supported the team with money and stuff.
And imagine say big companies that invested in them like Corsair, Sony etc. They probably have contracts for just "If you hack we will sue your ass to middle earth"
And cmon, CS:Go, most famous for most hackers ingame pub wise. Im not surprised.
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by DerKrieger105 » Sun Nov 30, 2014 1:42 pm

I just heard to there was another issue of a team who was getting destroyed using an exploit in one of the maps and pixel walking to get an advantage. At half time they were losing 12 to 3. Using this technique they won like 20 to 13.... So much shit going on in CS:GO right now and E sports in general. Really casts a bad light on the whole thing and the legitimate competitors..
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Re: CS:GO Pro Players VAC Banned - Discuss

by Someone Special » Sun Nov 30, 2014 1:49 pm

DerKrieger105 wrote:I just heard to there was another issue of a team who was getting destroyed using an exploit in one of the maps and pixel walking to get an advantage. At half time they were losing 12 to 3. Using this technique they won like 20 to 13.... So much shit going on in CS:GO right now and E sports in general. Really casts a bad light on the whole thing and the legitimate competitors..


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by Harri » Sun Nov 30, 2014 3:40 pm

Fnatic on board with the suspicious hacks witch hunt.

And guilty forfeit.
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Re: CS:GO Pro Players VAC Banned - Discuss

by GoDM1N » Tue Dec 02, 2014 3:06 pm

Someone Special wrote:
GoDM1N wrote:Can I get a TLDR version of whats going on with this? Seen people talk about it, but no idea whats actually going on with it.


Client Hack, pro players banned, teams removed from tournaments, conducting "witch hunts" in search of supposed hackers.
(Hack makes it a little easier to aim)
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He explains it around 7 Minutes 55 Seconds, the hack

Wat? Thats not a hack! Competitive console gamers have been using that for years.


Really though, this is happening at LAN events, or just things like CAL, TWL etc?
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Re: CS:GO Pro Players VAC Banned - Discuss

by Balubish » Tue Dec 02, 2014 3:32 pm

GoDM1N wrote:
Someone Special wrote:
GoDM1N wrote:Can I get a TLDR version of whats going on with this? Seen people talk about it, but no idea whats actually going on with it.


Client Hack, pro players banned, teams removed from tournaments, conducting "witch hunts" in search of supposed hackers.
(Hack makes it a little easier to aim)
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He explains it around 7 Minutes 55 Seconds, the hack

Wat? Thats not a hack! Competitive console gamers have been using that for years.


Really though, this is happening at LAN events, or just things like CAL, TWL etc?


Yeah the thing that piss me off the most is that it probably have been going on for many years and CS beeing to most hack friendly game so far.
And comp even when the prize is at $250.000 its stupid they didnt see it earlier, but happy they are having the eyes on these so called "Pro" players now.
And it makes a really bad reputation on those that really are good players. E-Sport in general are hanging lose but hope they wil fix it, doping is in any sports. Only difference this aint steroids.
And Godm1n stop playing SC the shit aint finished yet! :)
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Re: CS:GO Pro Players VAC Banned - Discuss

by GoDM1N » Tue Dec 02, 2014 5:27 pm

I haven't been playing SC lately, they have a pretty bad bug atm that I'm not willing to play with. Its actually similar to this hack, basically lowers your sen when you aim close to a target. Been playing Chivalry a lot, feel free to check out my steam stream in the beta.
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