What's your rig!?

[doppelganger]

I don't know if there has been a thread for this or not, so I'm starting it. What do you use to game on? I'll start...

Custom Box:
Case: Junk Thermaltake case loaded with fans
PSU: Kingwin 730w PSU
Mobo/PCU: ASRock Mobo w/ Phenom II Black Edition Triplecore (unlocked to quadcore) 3.0Ghz
VGA: EVGA Nvidia Geforce 8800GTX
Soundcard: Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Audio
Speakers: Turtle Beach 5.1 headphones and mic ; Altec 2.1 speakers
RAM: 4GB G.SKILL DDR2 1066
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200RPM 32MB Cache
Monitor: 21" Hannspree Flatpanel 720p
Keyboard: i-rocks Luminescence Keyboard (gaming)
Mouse: Logitech MX518
Controller: MADCATZ X-BOX Controller

Don't make it too intense, most people probably won't even read this much info lol.

[rawkies]

CASE - Cooler Master Centurion 590
PSU - PC Power and Cooling Silencer 750W Quad Red
CPU - AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ (Windsor) AM2[+] socket
GPU - ATI Radeon HD 5770 XFX 1GB
RAM - 2x2GB Corsair XMS2 (DDR2)
HDD - Hitachi 1TB
MOUSE - Razer Diamondback 3G
KEYBOARD - Logitech G11
HEADPHONES - Skullcandy Skullcrushers
MICROPHONE - Generic, packaged with Webcam
SPEAKERS - Cambridge Soundworks 2.1
MONITOR - AOC 221V (22", 16:10, 1680x1050)

[LegendarySurgeon]

CASE - Smilodon Raidmax
PSU - Corsair 650W
CPU - Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 3.16 GHz
GPU - ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB
RAM - 4x2GB OCZ Reaper (DDR2) (I play with -Heapsize 4194304 so I can actually use some of this)
HDD - Westgate 256 GB
MOUSE - Logitech M500
KEYBOARD - Dell generic
MICROPHONE - Generic clip-on mic
SPEAKERS - Logitech x-140 speakers
MONITOR - Hanns·G HG-281DPB 28" 1920x1200 (I play windowed at 1920 x 900 which gives me increased FoV)

[GoDM1N]

CPU: AMD Phenom II 720 2.8ghz
Mobo: Gigabyte GA-MA790X-UD4P
RAM: 4gb Corsair DDR2 800
HSF/WB: Corsair H50
GPU: ATi HD5850
Sound card: X-Fi Xtreme Gamer
HDD1: Maxtor 320gb 5400 RPM
HDD2: Seagate 160GB 7200 RPM
HDD3: Seagate 500 GB 7200 RPM
HDD4: WD Caviar Black 500G 7200 RPM
HDD5: WD Caviar Black 500G 7200 RPM
PSU: Corsair 750TX
Case: Coolermaster HAF 932 AMD edition
Mon1: Acer 1680x1050 5ms
Mon2: Acer 1680x1050
Mon3: Acer 1680x1050
K/Board: Logitech G510
Mouse: Razer Deathadder/Naga
Controller: Logitech chillstream / Saitek X65-F + Saitek rudders

[MrPandaSnatch]

CASE - NZXT Beta EVO
PSU - Dynex 400w
MOBO: Asus something(forgot which one exactly)
CPU - AMD Phenom II X4 920 2.8 GHz
GPU - ATI Radeon HD 4850
RAM - 4x2GB Kingston DDR3
HDD - Samsung 700GB
MOUSE - Logitech M305
KEYBOARD - Old Sony Vaio one
MICROPHONE - Logitech G330
SPEAKERS - Cheap Logitech ones
MONITOR - LG 20" LCD

[Hatred]

Custom 2 year old with a couple upgrades lol
Case: lian-li black aluminium
CPU: AMD phenom 2 quad core 950 (2800 mhz)
GPU: 2x SLI Nvidia 450 gts (1024 mb each)
Sound card : PCI-X 1x slot 8.1 Creative sound blaster X-fi titanium
speakers: 2.1 logitech and some logitech headphones (was 6.1 in victoria ... sigh)
RAM: 4x - OCZ XTC Platinum 512 MB DDR2-800 DDR2 SDRAM
HDD: 1TB seagate (payed $500 when the first came out and now they are $100 FFS)
Monitor: 22 inch acer LCD
Keybaord: some microsoft keybaord
mouse: Logitech revolution
controller: X-box 360 controller plugged into usb port
Power supply: BFG 950 watt
Mother board : Asus M3N72-D

next step ... upgrade motherboard and ram .... lol

PS: i like how out of the 8 posts only 1 uses intel CPU

[Amplify]

http://rog.asus.com/2009_old_bak/produc ... 9CBAC#tabP

That's what I have.

[Nikki Wolf]

CPU: AMD Phenon II X4 955 Black Edition Denab 3.2GHz
RAM: Corsair XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
GPU: EVGA 01G-P3-1371-TR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16
HDD: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s
PSU: Rosewill Green Series RG630-S12 630W Continuous @40°C,80 PLUS Certified, Single 12V Rail, Active PFC
Motherboard: MSI 870A-G54 AM3 AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD
Case: NZXT M59 - 001BK Black Steel ATX Mid Tower
Monitor: ASUS VH222H Black 21.5" 5ms HDMI Widescreen LCD
DVD Burner: Sony Optiarc CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model AD-7260S-0B
Input: Some Dell keyboard, Logitech mouse, Wacom Bamboo Pen tablet, Logitech gamepad (dual analog)
Speakers: Logitech 5.1 set (can't remember the model)

[Failhorse]

CPU: Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz LGA 1156 95W
RAM: A-Data DDR3 1600 8GB
GPU: ATI 5770
HDD: 500GB 10k rpm western digital something. (I store everything cloud/external)
PSU: OCZ 700 watt something
Motherboard: ASUS P7P55 LX LGA 1156 Intel P55
Case: COOLER MASTER RC-690
Monitor: First 19 in Samsung flat screen ever made 3:4 not HD
KYBD: Saitak
Mouse: Logitech MX 518
Sound: ADAM Audio A7 Studio monitors. the best in-ears ever: http://www.guitarcenter.com/M-Audio-IE- ... 1372214.gc

Do I win?

[GoDM1N]

Sound: ADAM Audio A7 Studio monitors. the best in-ears ever: http://www.guitarcenter.com/M-Audio-IE- ... 1372214.gc

Lies, CX300s

Do I win?

No you fail :3

[Failhorse]

Sound: ADAM Audio A7 Studio monitors. the best in-ears ever: http://www.guitarcenter.com/M-Audio-IE- ... 1372214.gc

Lies, CX300s

You're high. Single driver buds are utter crap no matter who makes them. Even 30 dollar dual driver buds are better than that shit.

[GoDM1N]

Sound: ADAM Audio A7 Studio monitors. the best in-ears ever: http://www.guitarcenter.com/M-Audio-IE- ... 1372214.gc

Lies, CX300s

You're high. Single driver buds are utter crap no matter who makes them. Even 30 dollar dual driver buds are better than that shit.

I lolz

[doppelganger]

PS: i like how out of the 8 posts only 1 uses intel CPU

because no one wants to waste the money?

Do I win?

yes, yes I think you do. Unless someone posts an i7 or six-core... maybe even an sli / xfire setup (which I used to have).

[Toaster]

sli quad core i7 here

sup

but my graphics cards are 9800 equivalents... might get around to replacing those some day...

[GoDM1N]

sli quad core i7 here

sup

but my graphics cards are 9800 equivalents... might get around to replacing those some day...

lol @ i7 in gaming rig :3

[Toaster]

sli quad core i7 here

sup

but my graphics cards are 9800 equivalents... might get around to replacing those some day...

lol @ i7 in gaming rig :3

heyyyy bro whats wrong with that?

[Failhorse]

There's nothing wrong with I5's or 7s. People just jelly cause they cost more.

[Mike808]

CASE - Early 2008 Summer Macbook Pro (non-unibody)
CPU - Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4GHz
GPU - GeForce 8600M GT 256MB
RAM - 1x2GB DDR2 SDRAM 667MHz
HDD - FUJITSU MHY2200BH 200.05GB
MOUSE - Razer Deathadder 3G
KEYBOARD - Built-in
HEADPHONES - Bose On-ear
MICROPHONE - Built-in
SPEAKERS - Built-in
MONITOR - Built-in LCD 1440x900 32-bit color

[GoDM1N]

sli quad core i7 here

sup

but my graphics cards are 9800 equivalents... might get around to replacing those some day...

lol @ i7 in gaming rig :3

heyyyy bro whats wrong with that?

There's nothing wrong with I5's or 7s. People just jelly cause they cost more.

Theres nothing wrong with i5s, however a i7 is a editing CPU and doesn't get any better performance in games. Benny says they actually get worse but I haven't seen that happen. Generally a i7 will get only 0-10 more FPS than a i5 or AMD PII and cost $200 more + the extra cost of the stupid triple channel ram and X58 mobo. On top of that High in CPUs in gaming PCs is a oxy moron IMHO because 99% of the games out there rely on your GPUs power. That said a i7 will do MUCH better in benchmarking programs but that doesn't translate to good game performance


Though its a older review this sums up my thoughts on i7

http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=794&page=1


Heres my favorite part

Here we see a distinctly different trend, with the Phenom II system gaining considerable ground overall, with the lone exception being 3DMark Vantage. The Crossfire differences are now reduced, and in single GPU configuration, the Phenom II in fact overtakes the Core i7. This is very interesting because popular opinion in our experience has been that people have tended to believe that an overclocked Core i7 simply thrashes a Phenom II. The facts, though, do not support such claims.

Now, we must look at what is perhaps the most critical indicator of all: gaming value. As we've just seen, the Core i7 posts some performance increases over the Phenom II system at stock settings, but loses much ground when each are overclocked. Now let's chart those results against the cost difference of each system based on the core components that are different and calculate how much that performance increase costs per actual framerate.





What you see above is how much it would cost you per framerate (increase) with a Core i7 system over a Phenom II system. The higher the number above, the worse it is because the more you will be paying for performance increase. What is being shown, for example in Left 4 Dead, is that it will cost you $26.88 extra per frame to buy a Core i7 system for gaming.

So if you get 5 fps higher in Left 4 Dead, that just cost you almost $135. Would you pay $135 for 5 fps? Can you see the difference between 114 and 119 fps? And where the two systems are even more closely matched, the case becomes worse for the Intel setup. Since the results for Crysis: Warhead are tied in single GPU configuration, this means you are paying $215 for absolutely no gaming performance increase whatsoever. That is probably very sobering for the Intel fanboys in the house right about now.

Now consider this: for a current difference of $215, you can purchase a second Radeon 4890 to go with a Crossfire setup in a Phenom II system. From a gaming perspective, the Core i7 system simply cannot compete with this.

Heres another one of my favorites

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/rad ... 81-12.html



Ofc I don't agree with what they said about getting a $1000 CPU that is matched by a $50 CPU in two of the results, but the gaming benchmark is lol

[doppelganger]

Here's the thing Mr. Godm1n, you are right, at this point in time most of these cpus and even gpus give similar performance, however when more intensive games are released, the higher quality or newer stuff will remain at that same fps mark where as the older / lower performance gear will not.

[squar3d]

there was a thread already http://critsandvich.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=443 and I'm pretty sure I was tied for first place in worst stats

Thinkpad T60 circa late 2006
CPU: Intel Dual Core 2.00Ghz
VGA: Ati Mobility Radeon X1400 128mb
SoundCard: SoundMax HD??
Speakers: Logitech z2200 2.1 (take up to much space so they are in storage currently, and i use cheap logitech headphones with mic instead)
Ram: 3GB
HDD: 320GB WD Scorpio Black 7,200 rpm (mmm brand new)
Laptop Screen: 1400x1050, but all my games are run in 800x600 + some dead pixels now.
Mouse: Logitech MX1000, brand new battery with new feet. I love that mouse

[Echoplex]

Copy pasting from the old thread

AMD Phenom II x4 @ 3.1 (x2 unlocked to 4 cores like a few of you have)
Sapphire Radeon 4870 1GB
Gigabyte GA-770 MB
2x 2GB GSkill DDR2 RAM

Built the whole thing with case, HDD, etc for $650 in November 09

[Hatred]

Here's the thing Mr. Godm1n, you are right, at this point in time most of these cpus and even gpus give similar performance, however when more intensive games are released, the higher quality or newer stuff will remain at that same fps mark where as the older / lower performance gear will not.

i just prefer AMD cpu's ... and $ doesnt = quality .... you ever bought an expensive couch and hated it ? (or sometihing along those lines) .... also when ppl build a computer they shouldnt get distracted by numbers .. instead they should focus on what can sustain certain numbers the best ... the human eye can only see 60-70 fps so there isnt any point trying to get more ... having a fps that is susstainable is more important in my opinion .... instead of having 200 fps then ppl show up and your at 100 fps then they start doing things and you down to 50-60 fps .... aka turn vid sync on ....

lol's
cause most of the time this kind of behavior = bottlenecks and things like that

so if 2 things are gonna create the same result why pay more ?

point: more money doesnt = better stuff

[KillerProtist]

CPU - AMD Athlon II X4 3.00 Ghz
GPU - GeForce GTX 460
RAM - 2x2 gb DDR3
HDD - Some 60gb drive that was laying around :3
MOUSE - Razer Deathadder 3.5g 3500 dpi
KEYBOARD - Standard Logitech one (looking to upgrade sometime soon)
HEADPHONES - TB X1's for the time being (looking to upgrade, but probably not for a while)
MONITOR - Some Dell one that was laying around. It's 4x3, which kind of sucks

[MedRed]

Version 1


Current Version








Case: Danger Den Acrylic Case
CPU: Intel I7 930 @ 4.2 GHz (4.0GHz daily)
Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate
Motherboard:ASUS P6X58D Premium
Memory: 6GB (3x 2GB) Patriot PC2000MHz PV236G2000LLKB @ 2000 MHz
Video Card: ATI Radeon 5870 @ 900 MHZ GPU Clock and 1300 MHZ Memory Clock
Hard Drive: Intel 160 Gigabyte X25M SSD & Western Digital Black Caviar 1 Terabyte
PSU: Kingwin Lazer 1000W (modular)
Case Fans: 3 x Aerocool Silver Lightning 120mm Silent White LED Fan
Memory Cooler: Kingston KHX-FAN HyperX Memory Cooling Fan
SATA Cables: 2 x SATA III UV Blue
Thermal Grease: Indigo Xtreme
Cable Management: UV Blue Sleeving/Heatshrink, White Sleeving/Heatshrink, and UV Blue spiral wrap

CPU Waterblock: EK Supreme HF Acrylic/Nickel V2.
GPU Waterblock: EK 5870 Acrylic/Nickel + Nickel Backplate
Reservoir: FrozenQ Liquid Fusion V Series 160mm
Radiators: 2 x Black Ice SR-1 240
Radiator Fans: 4 x 120mm Xigmatek "Crystal Series" 120x25mm White LED & 4 x Triebwerk TK-122 120mm
Shrouds: 2 x Tecnofront AirBox 240
Pump: Swiftech MCP655 Variable x 2
Pump Top: EK D5 Dual Top White Acetal
Flow Meter: Koolance INS-FM17 Coolant Flow Meter & Adapter Board
Temperature Sensor: Bitspower Liquid Cooling Temp Probe Display
Tubing: Bitspower Crystal Link Tubing
Fittings: Bitspower fittings
Biocide: PT Nuke & Silver Kill Coil


UV: 1 x 4" Logysis UV Cathodes + 2 x 8" Logysis UV Cathodes
Power Switch: 22mm White Illuminated Bulgin Style "Momentary" Vandal Switch
HDD LED: 3mm White LED
Fan/Light Power Management: Bitspower Blue X-Station

[Mike808]

holy crap

[KillerProtist]

Have I ever told you that I fucking hate you, Med?

[Failhorse]

Goes to show you good tech doesn't make a good player


OH MY GOD NOOOOOOOOOOO

[Nikki Wolf]

Med, you just made my mouth fall to the floor.

[MedRed]

Here are my gaming peripherals

30" Apple Monitor
Logitech G35 Headset
Razer Mamba Mouse
Razer Lycosa Keyboard


Here's my old rig... I still is in commission. I mostly use it to host all of my junk. It has a 2 TB WD Caviar Black in it.


Videos
Old Rig guts:

Old Rig 250 mm Big Boy Fan:

Current Rig Version 1 walk around:

[Mike808]

your monitor alone is like 2/3s of the cost of most of our computers -.-

[GoDM1N]

Here's the thing Mr. Godm1n, you are right, at this point in time most of these cpus and even gpus give similar performance, however when more intensive games are released, the higher quality or newer stuff will remain at that same fps mark where as the older / lower performance gear will not.

CPU age and quality doesn't have anything to do with it, we've seen the i7s consistently get the same performance as the i5 and P2s for a few years now, so I really don't know what you're getting at there. The benchmarks don't lie.

[MedRed]

Here's the thing Mr. Godm1n, you are right, at this point in time most of these cpus and even gpus give similar performance, however when more intensive games are released, the higher quality or newer stuff will remain at that same fps mark where as the older / lower performance gear will not.

CPU age and quality doesn't have anything to do with it, we've seen the i7s consistently get the same performance as the i5 and P2s for a few years now, so I really don't know what you're getting at there. The benchmarks don't lie.

show me stock clocked i5's and p2's that touch 1136 i7's
Then show me overclocked i5's and p2's that touch overclocked 1136 i7's in more than a couple of metrics.
Ain't happenin'

[GoDM1N]

Ain't happenin'

Lol ok

http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=794&page=11

X3: Terran Conflict shows us that the Phenom II system posts better results across the test spectrum, but particularly at stock speeds, both in single and dual GPU setups. Overclocking does help the i7 lessen the gap, in fact allowing it to barely take over at 1280 resolution but losing ground at the high resolution.

http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=794&page=10

Crysis: Warhead is particularly interesting, as the single card configuration results in essentially a tie both at stock and overclocked speeds. But when Crossfire is enabled, the Phenom II lags behind slightly by a couple frames per second.

http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=794&page=8

With Call of Duty: World at War we see an interesting result: at stock speeds, each system is running virtually identical both in single and dual card configurations. However, when overclocked, the Phenom II pulls ahead, and most signficantly at higher resolutions where the gaps widens. This is opposite from what we've seen in the tests so far.

http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=794&page=7

Left 4 Dead framerates are very high overall, and we see that the i7 manages to squeeze ahead by a few frames on average, but shows the greatest improvement when overclocked in Crossfire configuration. The difference, however, at 1920 resolution is marginal at best, and is really only apparent when gaming at lower resolutions.

http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=794&page=6

ArmA 2 does not appear to be optimized well for Crossfire yet, with the 9.7 Catalysts drivers being the first set that enable Crossfire support for the game. We suspect improvements will come over time. Nonetheless, the results here are consistent with the Core i7 posting better framerates across the testing spectrum. The difference is minor, within a couple of frames, but that can translate into double digit percentages on the whole.

http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=794&page=9

H.A.W.X provides a different set of results yet again. At stock CPU speeds, the single card configuration yields almost identical results yet the Crossfire numbers clearly favour the i7 system. However, when overclocked, that gain is lost and the Phenom II catches up, resulting in virtually identical results

.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ove ... 119-8.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/phe ... 360-5.html

Right out of the gate, we're seeing a huge difference between these new results and the Cyberpower Gamer Dragon results. Here, while the Core i7 system is showing a slight advantage at lower resolutions when overclocked, the Phenom II system is holding its own where it counts at 1920x1200.

And, when anti-aliasing (AA) is applied...

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/59



Oh and heres a $50 Kuma that gets the same performance in a few games as a $1000 i7 extreme


Again, high end CPUs in gaming rigs are gimmicks

[LegendarySurgeon]

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/ ... 7.48.49.50

So, at 5 times the cost, you can't get an increase in performance that is usually imperceptible to the human eye. Now, in data applications, the i7 has obvious uses, not saying it's a bad processor, but in gaming there's no reason to spend that much most of the time.

[GoDM1N]

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/56?vs=99&i=47.48.49.50

So, at 5 times the cost, you can't get an increase in performance that is usually imperceptible to the human eye. Now, in data applications, the i7 has obvious uses, not saying it's a bad processor, but in gaming there's no reason to spend that much most of the time.

Agreed. Also a note about that FC2 benchmark, that game was made to run off intel quads. If it was a i5 it would of been much closer

[MedRed]

Godmin... what you just posted shows the phenom getting smashed in almost every category... and it's being compared against a 920 which is OLD news. Please show me 930 plus at stock clocks and with similar overclocks. I used to be AMD until they couldn't keep up with Intel. Money isn't a factor. I want all out performance. I don't want to buy shit and then make excuses of why it's almost as good.

[Mike808]

psst godmin medred is rich :3
ill go with amd if you have a budget, if not then intel all the way

i honestly prefer intel. but with my financial situation id rather pay less and get like 30 fps less

[GoDM1N]

Godmin... what you just posted shows the phenom getting smashed in almost every category..

So wait 0-10 FPS for x2-x10 the cost mean its smashing the other CPUs? lolwut?

and it's being compared against a 920 which is OLD news.

Actually at the time the AMD 940 and 955 were around the same age as the 920. Matter of fact then the 920 was the only new sub $400 i7 for intel

Please show me 930 plus at stock clocks and with similar overclocks.

You find me that benchmark because people seem to rarely do AMD vs intel comparisons anymore, or at least two PCs with the same ram and GPUs ect. Better yet why don't we compare our own PCs in TF2, or some other game benchmark. Ofc you'll do better because you're packing a 5870, but meh you're not going to "smash" me. I'm going to guess depending on the game you'll get 20 max FPS on me, which in most cases will only be due to the GPU differences, not the CPU. Post up some stats and lets see.

I used to be AMD until they couldn't keep up with Intel

Dude theres like 10 FPS tops difference in the CPUs and the intel isn't always on top

Money isn't a factor. I want all out performance

Then why'd you buy a i7 instead of a Xeon?

I don't want to buy shit and then make excuses of why it's almost as good

You mean like you're doing with the i7?

[GoDM1N]

psst godmin medred is rich :3
ill go with amd if you have a budget, if not then intel all the way

i honestly prefer intel. but with my financial situation id rather pay less and get like 30 fps less

what does that have to do with i7s vs P2s and i5s in gaming rigs?

[LegendarySurgeon]

psst godmin medred is rich :3
ill go with amd if you have a budget, if not then intel all the way

i honestly prefer intel. but with my financial situation id rather pay less and get like 30 fps less

what does that have to do with i7s vs P2s and i5s in gaming rigs?

I think he's trying to suggest that Medred bought / asked for the most expensive processor he could and then tried to find data to support his acquisition.

[GoDM1N]

I think he's trying to suggest that Medred bought / asked for the most expensive processor he could and then tried to find data to support his acquisition.

Good luck with that, finding gaming benchmarks that show a i7 smashing a P2 or i5 is going to be hard as we've alrdy shown.

[LegendarySurgeon]

Yeah, the big keyword is gaming and also understanding what performance actually means. We can't refute that the processor can eke out a few extra FPS and he won't understand that those literally are not interpreted by the human brain in a meaningful way.

[LegendarySurgeon]

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/56?vs=99&i=47.48.49.50

So, at 5 times the cost, you can't get an increase in performance that is usually imperceptible to the human eye. Now, in data applications, the i7 has obvious uses, not saying it's a bad processor, but in gaming there's no reason to spend that much most of the time.

Agreed. Also a note about that FC2 benchmark, that game was made to run off intel quads. If it was a i5 it would of been much closer

I made this post to make the point that Intel's Core 2 processor still performs at levels that are almost the peak of humanly visible stimuli despite being a three year old processor that retails for literally 1/5 to 1/8 the price of an i7.

[GoDM1N]

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/56?vs=99&i=47.48.49.50

So, at 5 times the cost, you can't get an increase in performance that is usually imperceptible to the human eye. Now, in data applications, the i7 has obvious uses, not saying it's a bad processor, but in gaming there's no reason to spend that much most of the time.

Agreed. Also a note about that FC2 benchmark, that game was made to run off intel quads. If it was a i5 it would of been much closer

I made this post to make the point that Intel's Core 2 processor still performs at levels that are almost the peak of humanly visible stimuli despite being a three year old processor that retails for literally 1/5 to 1/8 the price of an i7.

Yes, I did the same thing with the Kuma and the i7 extreme, but was just pointing out that FC2 is one of few games thats actually made to take advantage of quad cores. I think the good old 65nm Q6600 gets the same performance as the i7 in that game as well

[LegendarySurgeon]

I'm looking forward to more software developers embracing the multicore standard. If Valve did release a TF3 the biggest difference would probably be a re-write of the Source engine for n-core processors. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if they were already working on that and we don't see Half-Life Ep. 3 until Source 2.0

[GoDM1N]

I'm looking forward to more software developers embracing the multicore standard. If Valve did release a TF3 the biggest difference would probably be a re-write of the Source engine for n-core processors. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if they were already working on that and we don't see Half-Life Ep. 3 until Source 2.0

no EP3 will be on source, however HL3 would be on source 2.

[MedRed]

Godmin, post up your benchmarks...

4.0


4.2


These are with version 1 before I upped the cooling ability and pushed my video card harder.

psst godmin medred is rich :3
ill go with amd if you have a budget, if not then intel all the way

i honestly prefer intel. but with my financial situation id rather pay less and get like 30 fps less

what does that have to do with i7s vs P2s and i5s in gaming rigs?

I think he's trying to suggest that Medred bought / asked for the most expensive processor he could and then tried to find data to support his acquisition.

I built my rig from scratch... it took MONTHS to round up all of the cutsom pieces and specialized hardware to get the looks and performance I wanted. And obviously the 930 was the entry level 1136 at the time.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/56?vs=99&i=47.48.49.50

So, at 5 times the cost, you can't get an increase in performance that is usually imperceptible to the human eye. Now, in data applications, the i7 has obvious uses, not saying it's a bad processor, but in gaming there's no reason to spend that much most of the time.

Agreed. Also a note about that FC2 benchmark, that game was made to run off intel quads. If it was a i5 it would of been much closer

I made this post to make the point that Intel's Core 2 processor still performs at levels that are almost the peak of humanly visible stimuli despite being a three year old processor that retails for literally 1/5 to 1/8 the price of an i7.

It's obviously not about getting by... it's about the numbers and the ability to push further.

Please show me 930 plus at stock clocks and with similar overclocks.

You find me that benchmark because people seem to rarely do AMD vs intel comparisons anymore, or at least two PCs with the same ram and GPUs ect. Better yet why don't we compare our own PCs in TF2, or some other game benchmark. Ofc you'll do better because you're packing a 5870, but meh you're not going to "smash" me. I'm going to guess depending on the game you'll get 20 max FPS on me, which in most cases will only be due to the GPU differences, not the CPU. Post up some stats and lets see.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2 ... u-review/1 Spoiler... AMD got rocked. And to Legendary, a Core2Duo would have been rocked even harder. I know because I own one on an xp computer and my other rig I posted is a Core 2 Quad

I spent way more $$$ on cosmetics for my PC than on the price difference between an AMD and Intel processor. I didn't build my rig to hobble it with a processor that wouldn't be able to keep up with the overclocking potential.

[GoDM1N]

Lol 3DV isn't a gaming benchmark, its a synthetic benchmarking program that doesn't translate to real world performance. I get 15k stock and 17kish when I OC to 3.8ghz however. Post FPS in games or something that actually matters.

Also in the i7 930 review, you do realize theres a 5 FPS difference between the 955 and the 930 right? and that the i5 gets THE SAME as the i7

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2 ... u-review/7

Also the i5 BEAT the 930 here and the 965 was 1 fps behind.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2 ... u-review/8


Medred I'm starting to think you're trolling

[MedRed]

Lol 3DV isn't a gaming benchmark, its a synthetic benchmarking program that doesn't translate to real world performance. I get 15k stock and 17kish when I OC to 3.8ghz however. Post FPS in games or something that actually matters.

You just know your computer won't come close in anyway shape or form. why not try it out and humor me?

[GoDM1N]

Lol 3DV isn't a gaming benchmark, its a synthetic benchmarking program that doesn't translate to real world performance. I get 15k stock and 17kish when I OC to 3.8ghz however. Post FPS in games or something that actually matters.

You just know your computer won't come close in anyway shape or form. why not try it out and humor me?

I'm not buying 3DV to prove my PC will get 15k at stock speeds in a program that has NOTHING to do with what we're talking about

[Mike808]

tread went off topic... argue in a new one

[GoDM1N]

tread went off topic... argue in a new one

Why?

[LegendarySurgeon]

It's obviously not about getting by... it's about the numbers and the ability to push further.

Regardless of how much money you spend to push your computer further your physical human body simply will not experience tangible benefit - you cannot perceive the benefits you are pushing for in a gaming context.

Also

Intel LGA1366 (Core i7) Hardware

* Asus P6TD Deluxe
* 6GB (3 x 2GB) OCZ Blade PC3-1600 memory (1,600MHz, CL7 DDR3)
* Titan Fenrir TTC-NK85TZ

LGA1156 (Core i5) Hardware

* Gigabyte GA-P55M-UD2 motherboard
* 4GB (2 x 2GB) Corsair XMS3-1600 memory (1,600MHz, CL9 DDR3)
* Titan Fenrir TTC-NK85TZ

AMD Socket AM3 (Phenom II) Hardware

* MSI 790FX-GD70 motherboard
* 4GB (2 x 2GB) Corsair XMS3-1600 memory (1,600MHz, CL9 DDR3)
* Titan Fenrir TTC-NK85TZ

LGA775 (Core 2) Hardware

* Biostar TPower I45 motherboard
* 4GB (2 x 2GB) Corsair XMS2-800 DDR2 (800MHz, CL7 DDR2)
* Titan Fenrir TTC-NK85TZ

I'm confused as to why they use 6GB RAM with the i7 instead of 4GB as with everything else.

[GoDM1N]

Regardless of how much money you spend to push your computer further your physical human body simply will not experience tangible benefit - you cannot perceive the benefits you are pushing for in a gaming context.

Not to mention with the amount he spent for the i7/water cooling system he could of gotten a i5 or AMD P2 ran it at stock CPU speed and bought another GPU running CFX 5870s which would actually result in better performance

I'm confused as to why they use 6GB RAM with the i7 instead of 4GB as with everything else.

Because the 1136 uses tri chan ram. It doesn't make a difference anyway, anything over 3gb will give the same performance when doing benchmarks like this.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/mem ... 264-3.html

[LegendarySurgeon]

Because the 1136 uses tri chan ram. It doesn't make a difference anyway, anything over 3gb will give the same performance when doing benchmarks like this.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/mem ... 264-3.html

Hmkay, cool - makes sense.

[MedRed]

Also in the i7 930 review, you do realize theres a 5 FPS difference between the 955 and the 930 right? and that the i5 gets THE SAME as the i7

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2 ... u-review/7

Also the i5 BEAT the 930 here and the 965 was 1 fps behind.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2 ... u-review/8


Medred I'm starting to think you're trolling

and where is the overclocked AMD? out back getting beat by an i5

[LegendarySurgeon]

MedRed, your aquariums are really cool. Like, actually. I watched your youtube videos 'cause you linked them.

[GoDM1N]

Also in the i7 930 review, you do realize theres a 5 FPS difference between the 955 and the 930 right? and that the i5 gets THE SAME as the i7

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2 ... u-review/7

Also the i5 BEAT the 930 here and the 965 was 1 fps behind.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2 ... u-review/8


Medred I'm starting to think you're trolling

and where is the overclocked AMD? out back getting beat by an i5

And? I've said from the start I have no problem with the i5. You're the one trying to justify a i7 in a gaming rig and in doing so you've posted a review showing the i7 being beat by a i5 and 1fps ahead of a AMD CPU in games proving my point. Also while on the topic of OCing


http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/s ... count=4572

Bob Colwell was one of the engineers who designed the Pentium processor. He wrote a paper for the IEEE called "The Zen of Overclocking", where he describes overclocking as "an exercise in better than worst-case operation". If you're an engineer, you understand what a stern statement this is; "worst-case" is the most difficult situation you expect your product to face.

People around here seem to love car analogies, no matter how poorly they apply. If I designed a car, I might try to engineer it so that it could withstand -20 degrees celcius. If you lived in a place where it was regularly colder than this, you shouldn't buy my car; perhaps you should buy a nice truck, instead. It's a reasonalbe design trade-off, right?

People who overclock insist on buying the car because they don't want to buy a truck. They force the car to run at -30 or -40 degrees, and insist that they know what they're doing. Maybe they do, and maybe they don't.

Largely, in fact, they don't. If you look at threads here, people are reluctant to mention that they overclock. If someone asks them and they do admit it, they insist that it's got nothing to do with the problem they're experiencing. It's possible that it doesn't, but they've done nothing to determine that they've eliminated either the direct or residual effects of overclocking as an issue.

Most people here can't imagine writing complicated software. Some can--they know that their programs execute millions of instructions per second and are completely dependent on the accurate execution of program steps, and the invariant retreival and storage of data from and to memory. Overclocked computers may or may not perform some or any of these operations--some of millions per second--incorrectly, without warning.

Let's take that software and ship it to 50 million users. If only 0.1% of people have machines that aren't working correclty, 50,000 users will have problems. Do you think that 0.1% of stock machines have failures? Do you think that 0.1% of overclocked machines have failures?

It's already happened in this thread that overclockers have claimed that they "don't notice" any problems. Have they really validated even a few hundred of the millions of operations that their machines complete in just one second?

When I worked at Microsoft, I had access to the database which collects crash dumps. I investigated crashes which affected software that I shipped directly, as well as some of the crashes which were attributed to libraries which I wrote that were used by other programs. Certainly, I had bugs to fix, as other developers around me did. But the majority of crash reports were from computers that were failing and still active. Checks were added to the reporting code to find overclocked machines, and it was easy to see that the vast majority of unexplained failures were attributable to those machines. Programs were crashing not because of bugs, but because properly written code was getting incorrect results from the machine; 3+3 was found to be 7, or 11, or -4. Sometimes, it was six. But not always; and a machine that returns the wrong answer even once of a hundred million operations is unstable and useless.

I'm sure your individual overclock is completely stable. (Well, LOL, I'm actually not. That's the problem; nobody knows if it is working or not!) But the observation of hundreds of millions of machines in a population running known software tells us that your completely reliable, over-exerted out-of-tolerance machine is entirely the exception to the norm.

My co-workers and I are stuck diagnosing and explaining these problems to customers, when they're actually the direct fault of the customers themselves!

Anyway, that's why I take points off for overclocked rigs.

This is why I no longer OC my 720 to 3.8ghz anymore, and I keep it stock speeds

[LegendarySurgeon]

Godmin, you're failing to get distracted. Look: these are MedRed's fish; also coral.

[MedRed]

Also in the i7 930 review, you do realize theres a 5 FPS difference between the 955 and the 930 right? and that the i5 gets THE SAME as the i7

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2 ... u-review/7

Also the i5 BEAT the 930 here and the 965 was 1 fps behind.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2 ... u-review/8


Medred I'm starting to think you're trolling

and where is the overclocked AMD? out back getting beat by an i5

And? I've said from the start I have no problem with the i5. You're the one trying to justify a i7 in a gaming rig and in doing so you've posted a review showing the i7 being beat by a i5 and 1fps ahead of a AMD CPU in games proving my point. Also while on the topic of OCing


http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/s ... count=4572

Bob Colwell was one of the engineers who designed the Pentium processor. He wrote a paper for the IEEE called "The Zen of Overclocking", where he describes overclocking as "an exercise in better than worst-case operation". If you're an engineer, you understand what a stern statement this is; "worst-case" is the most difficult situation you expect your product to face.

People around here seem to love car analogies, no matter how poorly they apply. If I designed a car, I might try to engineer it so that it could withstand -20 degrees celcius. If you lived in a place where it was regularly colder than this, you shouldn't buy my car; perhaps you should buy a nice truck, instead. It's a reasonalbe design trade-off, right?

People who overclock insist on buying the car because they don't want to buy a truck. They force the car to run at -30 or -40 degrees, and insist that they know what they're doing. Maybe they do, and maybe they don't.

Largely, in fact, they don't. If you look at threads here, people are reluctant to mention that they overclock. If someone asks them and they do admit it, they insist that it's got nothing to do with the problem they're experiencing. It's possible that it doesn't, but they've done nothing to determine that they've eliminated either the direct or residual effects of overclocking as an issue.

Most people here can't imagine writing complicated software. Some can--they know that their programs execute millions of instructions per second and are completely dependent on the accurate execution of program steps, and the invariant retreival and storage of data from and to memory. Overclocked computers may or may not perform some or any of these operations--some of millions per second--incorrectly, without warning.

Let's take that software and ship it to 50 million users. If only 0.1% of people have machines that aren't working correclty, 50,000 users will have problems. Do you think that 0.1% of stock machines have failures? Do you think that 0.1% of overclocked machines have failures?

It's already happened in this thread that overclockers have claimed that they "don't notice" any problems. Have they really validated even a few hundred of the millions of operations that their machines complete in just one second?

When I worked at Microsoft, I had access to the database which collects crash dumps. I investigated crashes which affected software that I shipped directly, as well as some of the crashes which were attributed to libraries which I wrote that were used by other programs. Certainly, I had bugs to fix, as other developers around me did. But the majority of crash reports were from computers that were failing and still active. Checks were added to the reporting code to find overclocked machines, and it was easy to see that the vast majority of unexplained failures were attributable to those machines. Programs were crashing not because of bugs, but because properly written code was getting incorrect results from the machine; 3+3 was found to be 7, or 11, or -4. Sometimes, it was six. But not always; and a machine that returns the wrong answer even once of a hundred million operations is unstable and useless.

I'm sure your individual overclock is completely stable. (Well, LOL, I'm actually not. That's the problem; nobody knows if it is working or not!) But the observation of hundreds of millions of machines in a population running known software tells us that your completely reliable, over-exerted out-of-tolerance machine is entirely the exception to the norm.

My co-workers and I are stuck diagnosing and explaining these problems to customers, when they're actually the direct fault of the customers themselves!

Anyway, that's why I take points off for overclocked rigs.

This is why I no longer OC my 720 to 3.8ghz anymore, and I keep it stock speeds

I just realized in that particular game the OVERCLOCKED i5 beat the STOCK clocked 930... and not the overclocked 930.
I use my rig for way more than gaming. While I'm playing, I'm recording through Windows TV and automatically encoding it to play on itunes. I also run all of the programs necessary for my autotune, and running mumble, with half a billion firefox windows going... all of this while playing tf2 with ZERO noticeable performance hit. In fact... I have to limit my FPS to 60 to keep from having screen tearing. I'm looking for all out performance.

As legendary just posted some of my tank vids... look up the price of a Candy Basslet. Then ask me if I'm concerned with $200 for a better processor... Now think about the fact that I have a MATED pair of those fish...

well I guess it's kind of tough to google them since they are so rare. I'll help you out.

[LegendarySurgeon]

Godmin, our biggest issue here is that for Medred

Money isn't a factor.

Think about this Godmin. Medred is literally sweating gold out of his pores. There is nothing that this man cannot afford.

I want all out performance.

When MedRed plays on SB1 he takes his private Jet to Chicago and then rents a helicopter to fly to Fingerman's house where he then uses Fingerman's LAN to connect so that his ping can be as low as possible. Performance.

I don't want to ... make excuses

MedRed doesn't need to make excuses for his purchases. The fact that there is no humanly observable advantage to his purchase is unimportant. MedRed does not need an excuse to pay thousands of dollars for a CPU or a fishtank or a jetplane. Who needs excuses when money is of no object.

Imagine, Godmin, if money were no object you could spend $1000 on a motorcycle identical to any one you already have with the singular difference of .1% decreased wind resistance and it would be better. Not experience-ably better, but that's okay because you wouldn't need to make excuses anymore, Godmin. Think about it.

[LegendarySurgeon]

In fact... I have to limit my FPS to 60 to keep from having screen tearing.

I have to limit my FPS to 60 to keep from having screen tearing.

I have to limit my FPS to 60

I have to limit my FPS

I limit my FPS

...

PERFORMANCE

[MedRed]

Godmin, our biggest issue here is that for Medred

Money isn't a factor.

Think about this Godmin. Medred is literally sweating gold out of his pores. There is nothing that this man cannot afford.

I want all out performance.

When MedRed plays on SB1 he takes his private Jet to Chicago and then rents a helicopter to fly to Fingerman's house where he then uses Fingerman's LAN to connect so that his ping can be as low as possible. Performance.

I don't want to ... make excuses

MedRed doesn't need to make excuses for his purchases. The fact that there is no humanly observable advantage to his purchase is unimportant. MedRed does not need an excuse to pay thousands of dollars for a CPU or a fishtank or a jetplane. Who needs excuses when money is of no object.

Imagine, Godmin, if money were no object you could spend $1000 on a motorcycle identical to any one you already have with the singular difference of .1% decreased wind resistance and it would be better. Not experience-ably better, but that's okay because you wouldn't need to make excuses anymore, Godmin. Think about it.

It's like the person with a Hyundai Genesis saying their car is as good as a Lexus BMW 5 series. You pay more and get more.

[MedRed]

In fact... I have to limit my FPS to 60 to keep from having screen tearing.

I have to limit my FPS to 60 to keep from having screen tearing.

I have to limit my FPS to 60

I have to limit my FPS

I limit my FPS

...

PERFORMANCE

Yeah... it's nice to have all of the shit my computer is doing going on and still have my FPS never dip below 60 FPS... and I only get screen tearing on TF2... not any of the other games I play like L4D2. GO figure. Vsync is necessary for me to play TF2

[MedRed]

can we split this thread from the processor discussion forward and make it a new thread? we've basically ruined this one.

[LegendarySurgeon]

Hahaha, MedRed, don't worry, you don't have to make excuses! We understand! Money is of no object!

[MedRed]

Hahaha, MedRed, don't worry, you don't have to make excuses! We understand! Money is of no object!

and the i7 1136 processors are still better and more capable than what AMD has to offer.

[LegendarySurgeon]

As legendary just posted some of my tank vids... look up the price of a Candy Basslet. Then ask me if I'm concerned with $200 for a better processor... Now think about the fact that I have a MATED pair of those fish...

well I guess it's kind of tough to google them since they are so rare. I'll help you out.

MedRed, maybe you are confused, most people consider spending thousands of dollars on fish to be a waste of money. We don't respect you more for it. We respect you less.

But you shouldn't worry about our respect! Why, with money as no object you could buy respect if you really wanted it. You don't need to make excuses, MedRed!

Performance.

[MedRed]

As legendary just posted some of my tank vids... look up the price of a Candy Basslet. Then ask me if I'm concerned with $200 for a better processor... Now think about the fact that I have a MATED pair of those fish...

well I guess it's kind of tough to google them since they are so rare. I'll help you out.

MedRed, maybe you are confused, most people consider spending thousands of dollars on fish to be a waste of money. We don't respect you more for it. We respect you less.

But you shouldn't worry about our respect! Why, with money as no object you could buy respect if you really wanted it. You don't need to make excuses, MedRed!

Performance.

lol... i obviously don't need or desire your respect... fyi... you do realize i was trolling the screen tearing right? i get over 100 fps 2560x1600 with EVERYTHING on tf2 maxed out. And TF2 is obviously not a graphics intensive game

[Echoplex]

Trolling makes internet threads suck, biggest news story of 2011 imo

[doppelganger]

Okay, holy shit, I was surprised to get on tonight and find 7 pages of this shit. So let me address things one at a time. As far as the i7 outlasting other shit, or rather, more expensive shit outlasting our shit, before I posted that I said that intel is just more expensive, so you're little comment about expensive not always being better was in vane. Secondly, fuck the human eye, a monitor can only visibly show the fps that it has in hz, so a standard flatpanel monitor, which I'm guessing all of you use, maxes at 60fps (or at lower resolutions you may sneak up a little higher). Where as if you had an old gaudy crt / vacuum tube monitor you may actually see those 100fps. Thirdly (yes, I'm going with the list format), my shit is fucking old, when I paid for it, it was fucking old, and... I max out my fps on tf2 (running on 1 core) and I can max out crysis and fc2 and hit a steady 30-40 on both (which is better than most nerds' benchmark reviews, and remember, my shit is old and cheap). Fourthly (is that a word?) it doesn't matter that money is no object and that your heatsink is coated in gold, I still rape your ass in tf2, so meh. Fifthly (I'm running with it), I troll all of your asses so go order your Ron Jeremy e-peen shit and chill the hell out, k thx.

P.S. Sixthly, and Finally, I can name a handful of people, if not more, (Fail, Finger, Benny, etc) that have an even larger e-peen than me, so I'm not worried about it. Good night.

[LegendarySurgeon]

Trolling makes internet threads suck, biggest news story of 2011 imo

It's true:

Fox News: Trolls

[doppelganger]

As legendary just posted some of my tank vids... look up the price of a Candy Basslet. Then ask me if I'm concerned with $200 for a better processor... Now think about the fact that I have a MATED pair of those fish...

well I guess it's kind of tough to google them since they are so rare. I'll help you out.

MedRed, maybe you are confused, most people consider spending thousands of dollars on fish to be a waste of money. We don't respect you more for it. We respect you less.

But you shouldn't worry about our respect! Why, with money as no object you could buy respect if you really wanted it. You don't need to make excuses, MedRed!

Performance.

lol... i obviously don't need or desire your respect... fyi... you do realize i was trolling the screen tearing right? i get over 100 fps 2560x1600 with EVERYTHING on tf2 maxed out. And TF2 is obviously not a graphics intensive game

I get over 100, sometimes over 200 with everything maxed, on single core processing with the "HD" console unlocks in tf2... zomg. (obviously vsync off for both of us, which is supposed to be part of the "maxing" experience which means everyone maxes at 60 =P) Get a mineral water machine.

[doppelganger]

there was a thread already http://critsandvich.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=443 and I'm pretty sure I was tied for first place in worst stats

Thinkpad T60 circa late 2006
CPU: Intel Dual Core 2.00Ghz
VGA: Ati Mobility Radeon X1400 128mb
SoundCard: SoundMax HD??
Speakers: Logitech z2200 2.1 (take up to much space so they are in storage currently, and i use cheap logitech headphones with mic instead)
Ram: 3GB
HDD: 320GB WD Scorpio Black 7,200 rpm (mmm brand new)
Laptop Screen: 1400x1050, but all my games are run in 800x600 + some dead pixels now.
Mouse: Logitech MX1000, brand new battery with new feet. I love that mouse

P.S. P.S. P.S. w/e thanks for the link Square.

[MedRed]

LMAO this is awesome... doppleganger... do you care to post a demo of your awesome FPS? I'd love to see it. I don't know why you jumped your dumb ass in this thread. I was having a little fun with legendary and Godmin. No harm no foul. You'd like to make something personal. You couldn't do what I do if you wanted to. Know one caught on to the obvious that I run an AMD graphics card... one that gets beaten by the Nvidia version. Yes this was a friendly troll, I apologize to Legendary and Godmin. You, doppleganger, can suck a dick. Happy now?

[LegendarySurgeon]

I don't know if there has been a thread for this or not, so I'm starting it. What do you use to game on? I'll start...

LMAO this is awesome... doppleganger... I don't know why you jumped your dumb ass in this thread.

[MedRed]

I don't know if there has been a thread for this or not, so I'm starting it. What do you use to game on? I'll start...

LMAO this is awesome... doppleganger... I don't know why you jumped your dumb ass in this thread.

I forgot to congratulate him on the WTLY Repost.

[tehs4ndman]

i think medred is spoiled...mommy and daddy put a silver spoon in his mouth. i have to work for my money, and i dont waste it on computer parts that are way too expensive and unnecessary. ur computer is worth more than my computer and my CAR put together! WORKING CLASS BOI!

get a mineral water machine? HAHAHAHAHA

my new gen i5 sandy bridge WINS ALL!!!

[MedRed]

LMAO @ Mommy and Daddy. I spoil myself because I make money. If mommy and daddy were spoiling me I wouldn't be buying them +50" plasmas, refrigerators, and iMacs.

[GoDM1N]

I just realized in that particular game the OVERCLOCKED i5 beat the STOCK clocked 930... and not the overclocked 930.
I use my rig for way more than gaming. While I'm playing, I'm recording through Windows TV and automatically encoding it to play on itunes. I also run all of the programs necessary for my autotune, and running mumble, with half a billion firefox windows going... all of this while playing tf2 with ZERO noticeable performance hit. In fact... I have to limit my FPS to 60 to keep from having screen tearing. I'm looking for all out performance.

As legendary just posted some of my tank vids... look up the price of a Candy Basslet. Then ask me if I'm concerned with $200 for a better processor... Now think about the fact that I have a MATED pair of those fish...

well I guess it's kind of tough to google them since they are so rare. I'll help you out.

Medred, you do realize I record with fraps, run vent, guild wars, watch youtube videos as well as video editing software while using 3 monitors and get 300 FPS (unless I'm recording which caps my FPS at 60 due to fraps) with no problem right? You're trying to make this a money issue, its not, the i7 is getting the same performance as the i5 and PII, and in some cases is being beat by them. Yet you're still trying to justify your i7 being better than the i5 and PII in games. You're basically saying your limo is faster than a normal car on the road.

Secondly, fuck the human eye, a monitor can only visibly show the fps that it has in hz, so a standard flatpanel monitor, which I'm guessing all of you use, maxes at 60fps (or at lower resolutions you may sneak up a little higher). Where as if you had an old gaudy crt / vacuum tube monitor you may actually see those 100fps.

To be fair you can buy 120hz monitors.

[MedRed]

I just realized in that particular game the OVERCLOCKED i5 beat the STOCK clocked 930... and not the overclocked 930.
I use my rig for way more than gaming. While I'm playing, I'm recording through Windows TV and automatically encoding it to play on itunes. I also run all of the programs necessary for my autotune, and running mumble, with half a billion firefox windows going... all of this while playing tf2 with ZERO noticeable performance hit. In fact... I have to limit my FPS to 60 to keep from having screen tearing. I'm looking for all out performance.

As legendary just posted some of my tank vids... look up the price of a Candy Basslet. Then ask me if I'm concerned with $200 for a better processor... Now think about the fact that I have a MATED pair of those fish...

well I guess it's kind of tough to google them since they are so rare. I'll help you out.

Medred, you do realize I record with fraps, run vent, guild wars, watch youtube videos as well as video editing software while using 3 monitors and get 300 FPS (unless I'm recording which caps my FPS at 60 due to fraps) with no problem right? You're trying to make this a money issue, its not, the i7 is getting the same performance as the i5 and PII, and in some cases is being beat by them. Yet you're still trying to justify your i7 being better than the i5 and PII in games. You're basically saying your limo is faster than a normal car on the road.

Secondly, fuck the human eye, a monitor can only visibly show the fps that it has in hz, so a standard flatpanel monitor, which I'm guessing all of you use, maxes at 60fps (or at lower resolutions you may sneak up a little higher). Where as if you had an old gaudy crt / vacuum tube monitor you may actually see those 100fps.

To be fair you can buy 120hz monitors.

Wait what? I thought we already established it still is faster in games than the i5 and PII.

[GoDM1N]

Wait what? I thought we already established it still is faster in games than the i5 and PII.

Like I said generally its 0-10 fps faster, however in the review you posted its only 5 faster than the PII in crysis, and it tied with the i5. In X3 the i5 was faster, and the PII was 1 fps behind, by no means is that smashing the others as you've been saying. What you don't seem to understand is synthetic benchmarks in programs like vantage don't count as real world performance. It only counts in that benchmarking program which doesn't matter. In a synthetic benchmark CPU 1 could get a much higher score than CPU 2, but when actually running a program in the real world (Eg a video game) CPU 2 could pull a head due to said program not taking advantage of the extra cores, the CPUs architecture (Farcry 2 comes to mind, a game that was made to run on intel quads) or various other things.

Benchmarking programs are made to test everything about a CPU, a video game isn't, and most video games don't even take advantage of more than 2 cores. Generally speaking the fewer the cores the more effective each core is, which is why the 6 and 8 cored CPUs like the i7-970 and Phenom ii X6 barely make it and are often beaten by the dual and quad core CPUs in video games. Hell even most quads aren't far ahead of dual cores. Its also worth noting some older games even do worse the more cores you have active, good example is SWG which is a old MMO. This game also doesn't like multi GPUs.

[MedRed]

Wait what? I thought we already established it still is faster in games than the i5 and PII.

Like I said generally its 0-10 fps faster, however in the review you posted its only 5 faster than the PII in crysis, and it tied with the i5. In X3 the i5 was faster, and the PII was 1 fps behind, by no means is that smashing the others as you've been saying. What you don't seem to understand is synthetic benchmarks in programs like vantage don't count as real world performance. It only counts in that benchmarking program which doesn't matter. In a synthetic benchmark CPU 1 could get a much higher score than CPU 2, but when actually running a program in the real world (Eg a video game) CPU 2 could pull a head due to said program not taking advantage of the extra cores, the CPUs architecture (Farcry 2 comes to mind, a game that was made to run on intel quads) or various other things.

Benchmarking programs are made to test everything about a CPU, a video game isn't, and most video games don't even take advantage of more than 2 cores. Generally speaking the fewer the cores the more effective each core is, which is why the 6 and 8 cored CPUs like the i7-970 and Phenom ii X6 barely make it and are often beaten by the dual and quad core CPUs in video games. Hell even most quads aren't far ahead of dual cores. Its also worth noting some older games even do worse the more cores you have active, good example is SWG which is a old MMO. This game also doesn't like multi GPUs.

It's all a game of inches... and different tests will yield different results. This is also the very bottom 1136 versus the best AMD had to serve up. How did the i5 and AMD do in other tests? This isn't just about gaming, it's about building a machine capable of everything you can throw at it. I also bet that if a more powerful or Crossfired/SLI'd graphics card were thrown into the mix... there would have been more legs for the intels. There is a HUGE difference in encoding time between my 3 desktops. It's not even worth doing it on my core 2 duo and my core 2 quad got trounced by i7 before I even overclocked the i7. You make the assumption that anyone using an i7 in a gaming rig is an idiot, but there are many power users that game because they are power users. The AMD crowd is all the same. It all boils down to jelly.

[Echoplex]

MedRed you should just run Folding@Home in the background while you play TF2. That way when people ask why you have such a powerful computer to play TF2, you can tell them that you're also busy curing cancer and to STFU

[GoDM1N]

This isn't just about gaming

No this conversation is just about gaming, thats all its ever been about. Yes I know a i7 is better at data app, and I've never said other wise. Its what that CPU is made for. I just brought up that the i7 isn't better at gaming which you've proven yourself in the 930 review.

[MedRed]

my core2quad pc folds... I'm sure the i7 will one day after I upgrade.

[MedRed]

This isn't just about gaming

No this conversation is just about gaming, thats all its ever been about. Yes I know a i7 is better at data app, and I've never said other wise. Its what that CPU is made for. I just brought up that the i7 isn't better at gaming which you've proven yourself in the 930 review.

it is still better at gaming. The overclocking potential still puts the base i7 above almost everything, and any other i7 is still further out than that.

[GoDM1N]

it is still better at gaming. The overclocking potential still puts the base i7 above almost everything, and any other i7 is still further out than that.

And OCing isn't a good thing.

[MedRed]

it is still better at gaming. The overclocking potential still puts the base i7 above almost everything, and any other i7 is still further out than that.

And OCing isn't a good thing.

I don't think most overclockers with a good/safe clock have issues with the longevity of their chips. I know I've never had issues.

[GoDM1N]

it is still better at gaming. The overclocking potential still puts the base i7 above almost everything, and any other i7 is still further out than that.

And OCing isn't a good thing.

I don't think most overclockers with a good/safe clock have issues with the longevity of their chips. I know I've never had issues.

Its not about longevity, every OC no matter how big or small causes problems due to the CPU failing to perform operations. A OCed system will always be unstable, it may not be blue screening but there are errors being caused due to the OC most which don't look like CPU problems, eg a driver error. However errors like these can be caused by a OCed CPU failing to perform a command. I'm not the only one saying this either, this is whats been said for years now, including by people at Intel and Microsoft.

[LegendarySurgeon]

Overclocking doesn't make anything your computer does, faster, you know. You're literally just increasing the clock rate which increases the frequency with which new instructions can be picked up by the processor but instructions don't take any less time. The amount of time gained is very small because the processor has already been designed with process lengths in mind to create an optimal stable setting. Increasing clock speeds will cause some processes to happen faster, some slightly slower, and some will get skipped entirely (which in effect causes the operation to conclude sooner but with errors).

Overclocking increases the voltage, current draw and thereby heat which significantly shortens the lifespan of the device even when extra cooling systems are utilized.

[MedRed]

Its not about longevity, every OC no matter how big or small causes problems due to the CPU failing to perform operations. A OCed system will always be unstable, it may not be blue screening but there are errors being caused due to the OC most which don't look like CPU problems, eg a driver error. However errors like these can be caused by a OCed CPU failing to perform a command. I'm not the only one saying this either, this is whats been said for years now, including by people at Intel and Microsoft.

That is so negligible with a stable clock. There are several programs that throw operations far in excess of what a CPU will see in a given time period that are testing to how often and how many operations are missed. That con is completely outweighed by the benefits in most cases. There are enough issues with the operating system alone having issues that one will probably never notice something clock initiate.

My PC runs SIGNIFICANTLY cooler than it did at stock clock and the OEM heatsink/fan. My XP AMD 2200+ PC has been overclocked since 2001 and is still going strong. My Vista Core 2 Quad Q6600 rarely gets turned off and was responsible for all of the heavy encoding until this time last year. It's now doing laundry 24/7. It's been rock solid overclocked on air (which it is still lower in temp than with the OEM HSF). I think I built it in 2006 or 2007.

[GoDM1N]

Its not about longevity, every OC no matter how big or small causes problems due to the CPU failing to perform operations. A OCed system will always be unstable, it may not be blue screening but there are errors being caused due to the OC most which don't look like CPU problems, eg a driver error. However errors like these can be caused by a OCed CPU failing to perform a command. I'm not the only one saying this either, this is whats been said for years now, including by people at Intel and Microsoft.

That is so negligible with a stable clock. There are several programs that throw operations far in excess of what a CPU will see in a given time period that are testing to how often and how many operations are missed. That con is completely outweighed by the benefits in most cases. There are enough issues with the operating system alone having issues that one will probably never notice something clock initiate.

My PC runs SIGNIFICANTLY cooler than it did at stock clock and the OEM heatsink/fan. My XP AMD 2200+ PC has been overclocked since 2001 and is still going strong. My Vista Core 2 Quad Q6600 rarely gets turned off and was responsible for all of the heavy encoding until this time last year. It's now doing laundry 24/7. It's been rock solid overclocked on air (which it is still lower in temp than with the OEM HSF). I think I built it in 2006 or 2007.

Medred the guy who made the Intel Pentium says otherwise, I'ma go with what he said over what you say, sorry

[MedRed]

Its not about longevity, every OC no matter how big or small causes problems due to the CPU failing to perform operations. A OCed system will always be unstable, it may not be blue screening but there are errors being caused due to the OC most which don't look like CPU problems, eg a driver error. However errors like these can be caused by a OCed CPU failing to perform a command. I'm not the only one saying this either, this is whats been said for years now, including by people at Intel and Microsoft.

That is so negligible with a stable clock. There are several programs that throw operations far in excess of what a CPU will see in a given time period that are testing to how often and how many operations are missed. That con is completely outweighed by the benefits in most cases. There are enough issues with the operating system alone having issues that one will probably never notice something clock initiate.

My PC runs SIGNIFICANTLY cooler than it did at stock clock and the OEM heatsink/fan. My XP AMD 2200+ PC has been overclocked since 2001 and is still going strong. My Vista Core 2 Quad Q6600 rarely gets turned off and was responsible for all of the heavy encoding until this time last year. It's now doing laundry 24/7. It's been rock solid overclocked on air (which it is still lower in temp than with the OEM HSF). I think I built it in 2006 or 2007.

Medred the guy who made the Intel Pentium says otherwise, I'ma go with what he said over what you say, sorry

Why the hell would Intel say overclocking is ok? Overclocking means people buy less expensive processors and keep them longer. I'm sorry, but I'll go by my real world experiences and all of the real world experiences of overclock.net, overclockers.com, xtremesystems.com, hardforum.com, et al.

[LegendarySurgeon]

The Sempron 2200+ is cut on a 130 nm die and the Q6600 on a 65 nm die. That i7 is cut on a 32 nm die.

The smaller the die gets the higher the risk of electromigration; as you fabricate smaller devices the dangers from increased voltage, heat, and current increase. While your two other computers are getting along just fine at an increased clock speed and I'm sure your i7 is doing fine as well, they would physically last longer in the average case by not being overclocked.

[MedRed]

The Sempron 2200+ is cut on a 130 nm die and the Q6600 on a 65 nm die. That i7 is cut on a 32 nm die.

The smaller the die gets the higher the risk of electromigration; as you fabricate smaller devices the dangers from increased voltage, heat, and current increase. While your two other computers are getting along just fine at an increased clock speed and I'm sure your i7 is doing fine as well, they would physically last longer in the average case by not being overclocked.

Theoretically yes... but how much will it shorten the lifespan? This all depends on how much you overclock, how much cooling and how much stress you're putting on the CPU. OC'ing a processor within an inch of its life isn't a long term deal. My 4.2Ghz clock is power hungry and heat intensive. I rarely use it, but that was a goal of mine to get a stable 4.2ghz profile. I don't think anyone with any processor out today would lose any significant life off of their processor with a reasonable overclock and proper cooling. Even at 4.0Ghz... I'm sure my current PC will be upgraded long before I have issues. This is evidenced time and time again by entire forums full of people with overclocked pc's in various states of tune.

fyi the 930 is 45nm

[GoDM1N]

Why the hell would Intel say overclocking is ok? Overclocking means people buy less expensive processors and keep them longer. I'm sorry, but I'll go by my real world experiences and all of the real world experiences of overclock.net, overclockers.com, xtremesystems.com, hardforum.com, et al.

no... Intel says all OCs are unstable, no matter how stable the users think they are.

[MedRed]

Why the hell would Intel say overclocking is ok? Overclocking means people buy less expensive processors and keep them longer. I'm sorry, but I'll go by my real world experiences and all of the real world experiences of overclock.net, overclockers.com, xtremesystems.com, hardforum.com, et al.

no... Intel says all OCs are unstable, no matter how stable the users think they are.

Of course they are going to say that. Yet there are entire communities of AMD and Intel overclockers that don't see these issues. You are greatly exaggerating the severity of this issue. I'd also love to read the actual article.

[doppelganger]

LMAO this is awesome... doppleganger... do you care to post a demo of your awesome FPS? I'd love to see it. I don't know why you jumped your dumb ass in this thread. I was having a little fun with legendary and Godmin. No harm no foul. You'd like to make something personal. You couldn't do what I do if you wanted to. Know one caught on to the obvious that I run an AMD graphics card... one that gets beaten by the Nvidia version. Yes this was a friendly troll, I apologize to Legendary and Godmin. You, doppleganger, can suck a dick. Happy now?

Why did I jump my dumb ass into the thread that I created? Hrm... I am such a dumb ass that I know when to use know instead of no. And what exactly is it that you do?

[doppelganger]

i think medred is spoiled...mommy and daddy put a silver spoon in his mouth. i have to work for my money, and i dont waste it on computer parts that are way too expensive and unnecessary. ur computer is worth more than my computer and my CAR put together! WORKING CLASS BOI!

[MedRed]

i think medred is spoiled...mommy and daddy put a silver spoon in his mouth. i have to work for my money, and i dont waste it on computer parts that are way too expensive and unnecessary. ur computer is worth more than my computer and my CAR put together! WORKING CLASS BOI!

jelly

[Mike808]

i think medred is spoiled...mommy and daddy put a silver spoon in his mouth. i have to work for my money, and i dont waste it on computer parts that are way too expensive and unnecessary. ur computer is worth more than my computer and my CAR put together! WORKING CLASS BOI!

jelly

exactly haha

[GoDM1N]

Why the hell would Intel say overclocking is ok? Overclocking means people buy less expensive processors and keep them longer. I'm sorry, but I'll go by my real world experiences and all of the real world experiences of overclock.net, overclockers.com, xtremesystems.com, hardforum.com, et al.

no... Intel says all OCs are unstable, no matter how stable the users think they are.

Of course they are going to say that. Yet there are entire communities of AMD and Intel overclockers that don't see these issues. You are greatly exaggerating the severity of this issue. I'd also love to read the actual article.

you can find it here in this thread, which I alrdy posted, guess you didn't read it :/

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/s ... count=4572

Also again, they don't see issues because they don't know they're happening. Eg your screen taring could be caused due to your OC, not because you're running a lot of programs

[Toaster]

I use to get texture tear... on my single core :]

It turned out being the carpet of just around the computer that literally broke all the fans

[MedRed]

no... Intel says all OCs are unstable, no matter how stable the users think they are.

Of course they are going to say that. Yet there are entire communities of AMD and Intel overclockers that don't see these issues. You are greatly exaggerating the severity of this issue. I'd also love to read the actual article.

you can find it here in this thread, which I alrdy posted, guess you didn't read it :/

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/s ... count=4572

Also again, they don't see issues because they don't know they're happening. Eg your screen taring could be caused due to your OC, not because you're running a lot of programs

I would agree that most gamers that overclock have no idea what they are doing. My overclocking comes from a community of people that overclock from the fundamentals, and don't use Corsair H50's on their rigs that because it's "water cooling." "An exercise in better than worst-case operation" is exactly right. You are taking a CPU outside of it's ideal specs and getting it to a function as close to tolerance as you're comfortable with. Most of us do validate a few hundred of the millions of operations it takes to get to stability. It's called stress testing, and it's a bitch.

You would actually believe I'd have screen tearing on my rig and monitor? Seriously? "Come on Man!" The text on steam is someone's critical opinion and a blanket statement of why he personally doesn't believe in overclocking. I can't read the abstract so oh well. I see you going through that thread and shitting on people with i7's. That is detestable. Don't hate on people because they buy what they want.

There are so many more issues with software, having the right hardware, hardware working together, and OS's. My current rig is more stable than any pc I've ever owned running XP and a stock clock. And my XP rig is still way more stable than I've ever had with Windows 98 computer.

There are risks and drawbacks to overclocking. There are different approaches and degrees of overclocking; however, an overclock done "right" will not be the doomsday scenario you are trying to paint.

[MedRed]

also... with the article from bob colwell. There isn't one person I've been able to find (including MikeBlaszczak) that cites anything actually written in the article other than that one sentence from the abstract. That in and of itself reaches 100% on the bullshit meter. You can't point to something that you haven't even read or even find a breakdown of and hold it up as the Bible. Fucking ridiculous.

[GoDM1N]

You would actually believe I'd have screen tearing on my rig and monitor? Seriously? "Come on Man!"

In fact... I have to limit my FPS to 60 to keep from having screen tearing.

sums up everything right there, stop trolling medred.

Also I'm not shitting on the i7, I just get a good laugh at people who buy them for gaming rigs because the buyers have no idea what they're doing. Its like buying a Xeon with a workstation video card for a gaming rig, or a 5870 for a server box. You've successfully proven to me you're a spoiled kid who resorts to name calling when he doesn't have a argument grats.

You have to buy the article btw, it costs $19

[MedRed]

You would actually believe I'd have screen tearing on my rig and monitor? Seriously? "Come on Man!"

In fact... I have to limit my FPS to 60 to keep from having screen tearing.

sums up everything right there, stop trolling medred.

Also I'm not shitting on the i7, I just get a good laugh at people who buy them for gaming rigs because the buyers have no idea what they're doing. Its like buying a Xeon with a workstation video card for a gaming rig, or a 5870 for a server box. You've successfully proven to me you're a spoiled kid who resorts to name calling when he doesn't have a argument grats.

You have to buy the article btw, it costs $19

And you guys just soaked it up without question. screen tearing on my rig would be ridiculous. Guess what... my server box has a 5770 in it. Why? Because I can. Don't get mad because you got called out for using references you know nothing about. I love this spoiled kid thing. I am spoiled as fuck. You mad about it?

I tried buying the article on the website I looked at. It wouldn't let me with a private login. I had to have an institutional login. The funny thing is... with everything you purport to do with your pc... you SHOULD have a better processor, and could probably do with LESS GPU.

[GoDM1N]

I tried buying the article on the website I looked at. It wouldn't let me with a private login. I had to have an institutional login. The funny thing is... with everything you purport to do with your pc... you SHOULD have a better processor, and could probably do with LESS GPU.

You mean movie maker, TF2 and guild wars? lol Tbh the only reason I have a 5850 was for eyefinity with 3 1680x1050 monitors. Which at a rez of 5040x1050 the higher powered card was needed. As for more CPU, why? Nothing I do really reqs more CPU.

[MedRed]

I tried buying the article on the website I looked at. It wouldn't let me with a private login. I had to have an institutional login. The funny thing is... with everything you purport to do with your pc... you SHOULD have a better processor, and could probably do with LESS GPU.

You mean movie maker, TF2 and guild wars? lol Tbh the only reason I have a 5850 was for eyefinity with 3 1680x1050 monitors. Which at a rez of 5040x1050 the higher powered card was needed. As for more CPU, why? Nothing I do really reqs more CPU.

For some reason I though you were more of a power user. Must have mistaken you with someone else. Too easy.

[MedRed]

oh yeah... what kind of car do you drive?

[Echoplex]

u post to hard

Anyway
I got this in 2009 for $100 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6819103680
Most of the dual core 550BE's are actually quad cores from a batch that didn't pass the random QA testing. All it takes is a couple bios tweaks to unlock and bam, 3.1ghz x 4



Apparently it also overclocks pretty well, but my apartment is hot as hell all the time and I'm using the stock heatsink so I haven't even bothered trying it. This was the first comp I ever built:



I'm thinking about upgrading soon, though. Does anyone have any experience with the AMD physical x6 cpus?

[GoDM1N]

I'm thinking about upgrading soon, though. Does anyone have any experience with the AMD physical x6 cpus?

Well assuming your getting one for a gaming rig theres no point atm. The 6 cored CPUs actually tend to do worse in games because their cores aren't as effective as a dual or quad, and games don't generally take advantage of more than two of a CPUs cores. That said more and more games will come out that support these CPUs, so someone could argue that they're more future proof however that doesn't mean you need to upgrade now. This is why I went with a AMD 720 instead of a 940 or 955. I'd suggest sticking with what you have then upgrading when you actually need the upgrade. By that time the newer hexa cores will be out that will be more powerful than the current ones

[Echoplex]

Yeah that makes sense. I do a little bit of stuff in Adobe Premier for class, but not enough to make it worth it (I use the CS2 version anyway )
The ATI 4870 1GB is holding up great, too. The Crysis 2 MP demo ran well at "max" setting (But it seemed like a lazy console port, so whatever that means).
People on newegg said that they got the Phenom x4 BEs running at 3.8 ghz, so I guess if I'm going to take on a project it should be getting new fans/heatsink and teaching myself how to overclock. Would I have to worry about my power supply at all? it's 650w

[GoDM1N]

Yeah that makes sense. I do a little bit of stuff in Adobe Premier for class, but not enough to make it worth it (I use the CS2 version anyway )
The ATI 4870 1GB is holding up great, too. The Crysis 2 MP demo ran well at "max" setting (But it seemed like a lazy console port, so whatever that means).
People on newegg said that they got the Phenom x4 BEs running at 3.8 ghz, so I guess if I'm going to take on a project it should be getting new fans/heatsink and teaching myself how to overclock. Would I have to worry about my power supply at all? it's 650w

Na, should be fine. As far as coolers, I'd suggest the CM Hyper 212 or the Xigmatek coolers which are uber as well, the only problem I had with mine was that it faced the wrong way (up instead of left) which caused some heat issues inside the case. So assuming you have heat issues in your case you may want to look into extra case cooling as well. Friend of mine got his 550 to 3.9ghz on air. heres some pics http://img260.imageshack.us/g/dsc01435r.jpg/
http://img260.imageshack.us/i/dsc01610t.jpg/
http://img515.imageshack.us/f/1hr.jpg/

[Failhorse]

oh yeah... what kind of car do you drive?

Medred. I mean no direct disrespect. Put the wallet away. This is e-dick territory. Zip that up too. There's a staunch difference between being rich and being wealthy.

[MedRed]

oh yeah... what kind of car do you drive?

Medred. I mean no direct disrespect. Put the wallet away. This is e-dick territory. Zip that up too. There's a staunch difference between being rich and being wealthy.

this question has NOTHING to do with wallet or e-dick.

[doppelganger]

old rig

Little upgrade + my other 2 comps.

Computer Name: SKYNET (custom)
Case: Coolmaster Scout Storm
PSU: OCZ Fatal1ty
Mobo/CPU: ASRock w/ unlocked x3 PII BE 3.0Ghz
VGA: EVGA GTX 460 SE
Soundcard: Soundblaster X-Fi Xtreme Audio
Speakers: TB 5.1
RAM: 4GB G.SKILL DDR2 1066
HDD: Black Caviar 1TB 7200RPM 32MB Cache *correction*
Monitor: 27.5" HannsG 1080p 1920x1200
Keyboard: i-rocks Luminescence (gaming)
Mouse: Logitech MX518
Controller: MADCATZ

Computer Name: Companion Cube (custom)
Case: Thermaltake Soprano
PSU: Kingwin 730w
Mobo/CPU: ASUS P5NSLI w/ dualcore 2.0 (don't remember atm)
VGA: EVGA 8800GTX (SLI)
VGA: EVGA 8800GTX (SLI)
Soundcard: onboard
Speakers: Altec 2.1
RAM: 4GB Patriot DDR2 800
HDD: Hitachi 70GB 7200RPM
Monitor: Hanspree 22" 720p 1680x1050
Keyboard: LITE-ON Standard
Mouse: Logitech G9
Controller: none

Computer Name: CompanionCubeJr (Acer Aspire)
LAPTOP
CPU: Phenom II x3 2.2Ghz
VGA: HD 5650
Speakers: Logitech H110
RAM: 4GB DDR3 1066
HDD: .5TB 5400RPM
Monitor: 17.3" Screen

P.S. I use the X-TRAC Ripper for my pad and QT uses a Dolica Edge.

[Ackybur]

This thread got gay. What's with men flexing their edick.

[Echoplex]

oh yeah... what kind of car do you drive?

[Mad Anthony]

This thread got gay. What's with men flexing their edick.

hahahahahahhahahahhahahaha

[GoDM1N]

stuff.

Yay you got the EVGA GTX460

[Mike808]

ordered all this today

Custom Box:
Case: Coolermaster HAF 922
CPU: Intel Core i5-2400 3.1GHz LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor
PSU: Antec EarthWatts EA-500D Green 500W Power Supply
Mobo: GIGABYTE GA-H67MA-USB3-B3 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
GPU: HIS Radeon HD 6950 H695FN2G2M Video Card with Eyefinity
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black 500GB 3.5" SATA 6.0Gb/s Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
SSD: Crucial RealSSD C300 CTFDDAC064MAG-1G1 2.5" MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
Monitor: Dell U2311H 23 inch
Keyboard: RAZER Black Wired BlackWidow Mechanical Gaming Keyboard
Mouse: RAZER Deathadder 3G

[Echoplex]

No more Macbook! Congrats Wait til you play without ridiculous packet loss