Windows 10 VR - Not the hololens now. For $299!!

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Windows 10 VR - Not the hololens now. For $299!!

Postby Balubish » Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:42 am

Microsoft have done it again. Thinking of the ppl that cant afford retarded pricing VR headsets like HTC Vive and Oculus "That fucking promised it would be priced as the DK headsets.

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Everybody expected mixed-reality technology to play a part in Microsoft’s big Windows 10 event on Wednesday—but nobody expected what we got. Rather than showing yet another HoloLens demonstration, Microsoft instead announced a small army of virtual reality headsets unlike anything available today, and they’re all powered by the forthcoming Windows 10 Creators Update.

The demo raised more questions than it supplied answers, but there was still plenty of info to glean if you were paying attention. Here’s everything we know about Microsoft’s Windows 10 VR headsets—and one massive question spurred by their mere existence.

Further reading: Everything Microsoft revealed: Surface Studio, Windows 10 Creators Update and more

1. They’re wholly unique

Seriously.

Today’s mobile VR headsets (like the Gear VR and Daydream View) can track your head’s rotation, but not its position in space, making mobile VR a stationary experience. PC-powered VR (like the Oculus Rift and HTC Vive) can track both head rotation and position, but require the use of extra “base stations” that cast out invisible laser beams to keep tabs on your movement across space.


Windows chief Terry Myserson says the new Windows 10 powered VR headsets use “inside-out six-degree-of-freedom sensors.” That means they’ll be able to track their own position with internal sensors, negating the need for base stations and dedicated VR spaces. No currently available VR headset offers that flexibility. The closest we’ve seen is the Santa Cruz prototype revealed at Oculus Connect earlier this month, but it’s far from finished, with Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg stressing that Santa Cruz is more idea than reality at this point.

The HoloLens overlays 3D holograms atop the real world, providing an experience totally different from traditional virtual reality. That said, HoloLens head Alex Kipman told Polygon that the new Windows VR headsets borrow their inside-out technology from Microsoft’s augmented reality device.

2. They’re tethered

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The Windows 10 headsets can’t quite shake all of PC-based VR shackles, it seems. Unlike Microsoft’s HoloLens (and Oculus’ standalone Santa Cruz prototype), it appears as though these incoming devices lack onboard computers, requiring them to be tethered to a PC—somewhat of a bummer after the excitement about inside-out sensors. During an on-stage demonstration, the host’s headset clearly sported a long wire, and a promotional image for these headsets shows a discrete connection to a laptop in the background.


This raises some interesting questions. How powerful will the PC powering these Windows 10 headsets need to be? Full-blown VR is much more graphically demanding than the HoloLens’ augmented reality. The laptop in the image doesn’t appear bulky, but Nvidia’s new GTX 10-series mobile chips are powerful, yet cool enough to drive virtual reality experiences from relatively svelte notebooks.

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Comments Kipman made to Polygon suggest the requirements won’t be particularly beefy. “We’ve lowered the specs you need for a [VR-ready] PC from a $1,500 system to a $500 one,” he said.

Microsoft will reveal more detailed info at an event in December, Kipman says.

3. They share HoloLens controls

These “Windows 10 Creators Update accessories,” as Myerson calls them, may be different from the HoloLens but it appears they’ve picked up some tricks from Microsoft’s augmented reality device. During Microsoft’s on-stage demo yesterday, the Windows 10 VR headset was controlled using voice commands and hand gestures, similarly to how you control the HoloLens. No obvious in-hand controllers were visible.


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You can’t help but wonder if these more affordable, tethered VR headsets will stand in as “consumer HoloLens” alternatives until Microsoft’s able to perfect the design of its headset and drive the cost of its standalone design down to more reasonable levels—which may take years.

4. They’re popular with PC makers

A slew of PC makers want in on the VR action. HP, Dell, Lenovo, Asus, and Acer will all offer Windows 10 VR headsets. Here’s hoping Microsoft and its partners institute some quality controls, as janky VR hardware can make you puke in a jiffy.

5. They’re damned cheap

Or at least one version is. Myerson says these Windows 10 VR headsets will start at just $299, compared to $600 for the Oculus Rift and $800 for the HTC Vive. Don’t expect all Windows VR headsets to be that affordable, though.

“Just like gaming and gaming on a PC, there is a difference if you want to play Halo or you want to play solitaire,” Kipman told Polygon. “The entry to play anything was a $1,500 PC; that’s what we lowered.”

6. They’re coming soon

Look for these Windows 10 VR headsets to appear around the launch of the Windows 10 Creators Update, early next year.


The big question: What about Oculus?

Just last year, Oculus and Microsoft seemed pretty buddy-buddy. Xbox chief Phil Spencer took the stage at Oculus’ E3 2015 event to announce that the Rift would ship with an Xbox One controller, and be able to play Xbox One games on a virtual TV screen. Rampant rumors suggested that rather than building an in-house headset like PlayStation VR, Microsoft would instead tap Oculus as a drop-in solution for the Xbox One.

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The new consumer version of Oculus Rift is due to ship in early 2016.
But it looks like things have changed since then.

Those Xbox games have yet to materialize for the Rift, and these Windows 10 headsets could very well wind up being the Xbox One’s VR solution. The only time Oculus was mentioned at the Microsoft event was when Myerson tossed shade, stating that “those other, less immersive accessories today cost over $500 dollars” (emphasis his).

To be clear, the Rift headset still ships with an Xbox One gamepad, and neither Oculus nor Microsoft have mentioned anything negative about each other. The Rift could very well still become the Xbox One’s VR headset! But the Oculus team’s noticeable absence at Microsoft’s event paired with the natural rivalry between the Windows 10 VR headsets and Oculus’ Santa Cruz headset sure makes you wonder.

“I think that Microsoft has been targeting this price segment for quite some time,” says Anshel Sag, associate analyst and VR expert at Moor Insights & Strategy. “Their biggest fear is missing this technology inflection and not being a major player like in mobile. That is why they partnered with Oculus early before they had a working headset design of their own.”

“Microsoft will still likely partner with Oculus, but that relationship seemed one more out of convenience than necessity,” says Sag. “Facebook and Microsoft fundamentally have competing visions and platforms for VR and that ultimately boils down to why their partnership couldn’t last.”

Editor’s note: This article was updated to include Alex Kipman and Anshel Sag’s comments. It was originally published on 10/27/16.

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Specs needed: Basicly a GTX 570 or newer supports DX12 drivers. Thank you microsoft not beeing an asshole that the rest of the VR companies Oculus and HTC.
DirectX12-capable GPU
Quad-core CPU (or dual-core CPU with hyperthreading)
4GB of RAM
USB 3.0


Oh yeah all censors are inside the headset instead of Oculus and HTC that you need to place cameras and shit.
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Re: Windows 10 VR - Not the hololens now. For $299!!

Postby L0wsound » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:01 am

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Re: Windows 10 VR - Not the hololens now. For $299!!

Postby Balubish » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:29 am

Min specs released!

Full article: https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu_displays/microsoft_unveils_the_pc_system_requirements_for_windows_10_vr/1

The highest end Windows 10 VR headset will come with resolutions of 2880x1440 at 90Hz (HTC Vive/Oculus 2160 x 1200 at 90hz), which is a resolution of 1440x1440 per eye. CPU wise the headsets will require a 4-thread mobile i5 CPU at a minimum and will require a DirectX12 compatible GPU. Below are the full system specifications for Windows 10 VR.



- CPU: Intel Mobile Core i5 (e.g. 7200U) Dual-Core with Hyperthreading equivalent
- GPU: Integrated Intel® HD Graphics 620 (GT2) equivalent or greater DX12 API Capable GPU
- RAM: 8GB+ Dual Channel required for integrated Graphics
- HDMI: HDMI 1.4 with 2880×1440 @ 60 Hz or HDMI 2.0 or DP 1.3+ with 2880×1440 @ 90 Hz
- HDD:100GB+ SSD (Preferred) / HDD
- USB: USB 3.0 Type-A or USB 3.1 Type-C Port with DisplayPort Alternate Mode
- Bluetooth: Bluetooth 4.0 for accessories

Personal view. Suck it Oculus and Vive you whores and ur prices. Both higher res per eye and alot less strain on ppls PC's to play VR with Microsofts headset.
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Re: Windows 10 VR - Not the hololens now. For $299!!

Postby UncleTestes » Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:13 am

neat as shit but I already bought a Vive
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Re: Windows 10 VR - Not the hololens now. For $299!!

Postby Balubish » Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:36 am

UncleTestes wrote:neat as shit but I already bought a Vive


So dude, give me some feedback then you butt.
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Re: Windows 10 VR - Not the hololens now. For $299!!

Postby UncleTestes » Fri Dec 09, 2016 7:16 am

I know I already gave you the rundown on the slaybox but for anyone else who's curious about the Vive

summary: holy fuck if you ever have a chance to try VR, do it. but, don't spend the money on the system unless you have:
1) money
2) patience
3) a strong fuckin stomach
and keep in mind that it's almost like buying a new console; now you gotta buy all the games for it, although there are plenty of nice freebies for you to play around with. there's even a Star Wars branded game.

pros:
1) over Oculululus, which only supports sitting/standing, forward-facing tracking, the Vive supports that and room-scale tracking, for walkin around and shit. some games are designed for either-or
2) something I think is neat, in-game controls take on a whole new approach to realism. your character turns around as fast as you can turn around. no more asking people who dominate you what they have their sensitivity set to.
3) it's fuckin VR dude

cons:
1) get ready for motion sickness, vertigo, and the occasional headache
2) screendoor effect; basically the screen is so close to your face that you can see the individual pixels, particularly when there's a solid color on the screen. you'll get over this
3) the wires get to be a hassle sometimes, although HTC recognizes this and is making improvements; they've already released a better tether cable, and there's a company that makes a device that mounts to the headset that eliminates the tether cable altogether
3) it's fuckin $700 dude
(I bought it two weeks before it dropped from $800 to $700)

my favorite games so far have been Rec Room, Spell Fighter VR, and Audioshield. gonna try the Star Wars game this weekend probably.

sidenote: vr porn dude
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Re: Windows 10 VR - Not the hololens now. For $299!!

Postby Balubish » Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:14 am

Thanks on ur feedback Uncle. Yeah and EU countries have to pay import taxes. Even on online content like fucking TF2 hats or Star Citizen ships.
So the Vive cost me around $1200 with shipping, taxes and all that bullshit.
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Re: Windows 10 VR - Not the hololens now. For $299!!

Postby UncleTestes » Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:48 am

Balubish wrote:Thanks on ur feedback Uncle. Yeah and EU countries have to pay import taxes. Even on online content like fucking TF2 hats or Star Citizen ships.
So the Vive cost me around $1200 with shipping, taxes and all that bullshit.

das som shite dog

oh and I forgot a con:
most of the AAA games so far seem to favor the Oculus over the Vive, while a lot of the Vive's games so far are small, unfinished indie games. but the AAA I really wanted was Ace Combat which will probably be PSVR exclusive so I don't care
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