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Re: And now for something completely different.

Postby Spyder » Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:18 pm

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Rologton wrote:It's all because it's more sensational to make people think we're fighting Islam, instead of the truth. The truth is we're fighting a group of Islamic people who are bastardising verses of the Qur'an for their own goals. The majority of Muslims know their religion to be a peaceful one.

The terrorists are no different than Christianity during the Crusades and the Inquisition.

You should read the Koran, and get back to me on that peaceful part.

you should read the bible and tell me its completely peaceful. Both books are pretty violent. I find it funny that you are hating on the Qur'an when parts of the bible are just as bad, yet for some reason Christianity is a peaceful religion, and Islam is not.
Also, youre saying muslims arent peaceful because the Qur'an isnt. Isn't it possible to only believe certain things from the Qur'an? I would hope you think so, because im sure you dont believe everything in the bible.

All religions have/had traits of barbaric behavior, or various punishments that are frowned upon today in the 21st century.

Islam and Christianity are not "religions of peace" - but their followers can choose to be peaceful. When Muslims/Christians claim that they use the Koran/Bible as their "moral guide" (the few bad apples excluded) they're only talking about the good bits.

Most people have a conscience, and that helps them distinguish the good from the bad.

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Re: And now for something completely different.

Postby Phantom » Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:26 am

stanley wrote:
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Rologton wrote:It's all because it's more sensational to make people think we're fighting Islam, instead of the truth. The truth is we're fighting a group of Islamic people who are bastardising verses of the Qur'an for their own goals. The majority of Muslims know their religion to be a peaceful one.

The terrorists are no different than Christianity during the Crusades and the Inquisition.

You should read the Koran, and get back to me on that peaceful part.

you should read the bible and tell me its completely peaceful. Both books are pretty violent. I find it funny that you are hating on the Qur'an when parts of the bible are just as bad, yet for some reason Christianity is a peaceful religion, and Islam is not.
Also, youre saying muslims arent peaceful because the Qur'an isnt. Isn't it possible to only believe certain things from the Qur'an? I would hope you think so, because im sure you dont believe everything in the bible.


I think your the one that should read the bible, it states no where that you should convert everybody you see or kill them, Qur'an however does.
Im not shure what part about Christianity confuses people, step 1. you ask for forgiveness step2. you receive forgiveness step 3. profit.
Its really just that simple, anything else people tack on, is basically wrong.

I will also bring up that a majority of the worlds good deed causes are christian.

And the greatest irony of it all is, you guys always make it out like its Christians that ruin the world, and you guys are all a big supporter of gay rights, jump down Christians ever chance you get, but fail to even have a small complaint about Muslims hanging gays in the middle east.

Perhaps you should start with the worst case of "violation of human rights" and work your way back to the US.

In any case im done discussing this matter, I just thought id post my view on it.
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Re: And now for something completely different.

Postby Repoman » Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:40 am

you should read the bible and tell me its completely peaceful. Both books are pretty violent. I find it funny that you are hating on the Qur'an when parts of the bible are just as bad, yet for some reason Christianity is a peaceful religion, and Islam is not.
Also, youre saying muslims arent peaceful because the Qur'an isnt. Isn't it possible to only believe certain things from the Qur'an? I would hope you think so, because im sure you dont believe everything in the bible.

I think your the one that should read the bible, it states no where that you should convert everybody you see or kill them, Qur'an however does.
Im not shure what part about Christianity confuses people, step 1. you ask for forgiveness step2. you receive forgiveness step 3. profit.
Its really just that simple, anything else people tack on, is basically wrong.

I will also bring up that a majority of the worlds good deed causes are christian.


Also note that people use just the old testament to claim that Christianity is a violent religion.
1. The old testament laws and rules are no longer used, even by the Jews.
2. As harsh as the laws and rules of the old testament were, they were the best at the time in comparison to all the ancient middle eastern civilizations. (Babylonians, Assyrians, Hittites, Canaanites, Egyptians). The Israelites dealt with matters in a more logical matter than that of the "eye for an eye" that the babylonians used, for example. You also have to take into consideration the translation errors from Hebrew to Greek to Latin to English, etc.

Historcial, christianity doesnt have a good background, as with most religions. However, a majority of christians/catholics have moved beyond the medieval mindset and progressed to the modern world. Islam for the most part has not progressed well in modern times, but its not just the religions fault. Islam had a golden age, until the Crusades occurred and Mongols invaded, the Timurids invaded,and then the Seljuk Turks. After the Ottomans, the world powers divided up the middle east, and continued to do so after WWII. So in a world of complete and constant chaos, and constant changes of who is in charge, of course they are going to be a violent uneducated peoples, not conformed to normal western society. Its very unfortunate that the Caliphs of the golden ages fell apart, especially the one that held and maintained the library of Baghdad, which was sadly destroyed by mongols. :(
Societies that are not well progressed, and have strong religion of course will be more violent. History has shown this over and over again.
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Re: And now for something completely different.

Postby Maringue » Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:01 am

Phantom wrote:I will also bring up that a majority of the worlds good deed causes are christian.

This is an insanely myopic world view.
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Re: And now for something completely different.

Postby fingerman » Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:34 pm

Maringue wrote:
Phantom wrote:I will also bring up that a majority of the worlds good deed causes are christian.

This is an insanely myopic world view.


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Re: And now for something completely different.

Postby Failhorse » Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:47 am

Maringue wrote:
Phantom wrote:I will also bring up that a majority of the worlds good deed causes are christian.

This is an insanely myopic world view.


And completely wrong.
For those ignorant on such matters, try searching Zakat. A lesser known part of the muslim faith. And remember two things. There are more Muslims than Christians, and they have more money. And don't brag about charitable givings. Or siphon them through the Vatican. The pope doesn't need a gold mitre for every day of the week.
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Re: And now for something completely different.

Postby Hatred » Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:40 pm

Rologton wrote:It's all because it's more sensational to make people think we're fighting Islam, instead of the truth. The truth is we're fighting a group of Islamic people who are bastardising verses of the Qur'an for their own goals. The majority of Muslims know their religion to be a peaceful one.

The terrorists are no different than Christianity during the Crusades and the Inquisition.


*sigh* this has been done with every religion to ever exist ... ppl may get mad but ... i say this knowing it might offend some ppl ... but in my opinion religion is a crutch and excuse ... christians f**ked this world way worse than every other religion in the world combined ... and except for the child diddling they got better ... and i say that better loosly ...

if only ppl would realize that the only true god is sandvich ...
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Re: And now for something completely different.

Postby Repoman » Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:47 pm

For all the terrible things done in history by "Christians", a smart christian would say that they were not true Christians.

I mean the same thing goes on today for Muslims, they say terrorists are not Muslims. However people generally harbor more hatred for Christians, because that's the group that is held to the higher standard in most western societies.

Its easy to hate hypocrites.
But its not easy to judge yourself.

Found this that someone wrote and I liked how it was worded.
Many people have pent up anger which they wish to release. Further, for those who are uninformed "christians" is usually used as a blanketed term to encompass every christian on the planet regardless of their affiliation or personal beliefs. Essentially when one group of christians says something the injured party may or may not take their frustrations out on the collective group. Also radical groups generally become more prevalent in the media, thus becoming the poster figure for certain groups. For Example : When terrorists (who just so happen to be muslim) attack the U.S. suddenly every follower of Islam within the world becomes a potential terrorist due to social media and misconceptions.
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