DeepSpaceBass wrote:Disrespect and critisism are not even on the same line in the dictionary. At no point did I call you a name demeaning your character.
White Knighting is the act of being both a man and Misandric (anti man) at the same time, and as you stated yourself when I pointed this out "I know and I just don't care". Sexism is objectively wrong and I was offended by it. Sexism is sexism, it isn't exclusive to women.
Patrid wrote:DeepSpaceBass wrote:Disrespect and critisism are not even on the same line in the dictionary. At no point did I call you a name demeaning your character.
White Knighting is the act of being both a man and Misandric (anti man) at the same time, and as you stated yourself when I pointed this out "I know and I just don't care". Sexism is objectively wrong and I was offended by it. Sexism is sexism, it isn't exclusive to women.
While you didn't call me a name, respecting the decisions handed down by me, including: bans related to slur usage, is still part of the rules. Not only did you misinterpret the use of slurs (see chat logs of methyf and ogre), but you hounded me about apologizing to the server for interrupting your "fun". If fun comes at the expense of others, whether it be women or bronies, then I will not have it.
"I know and I don't care" was in reference to my "disrespect" towards you. I haven't seen you in any other light other than defending those who test the waters. It's ironic that you bring up "conversation I was having was inappropriate", because I specifically said that you cannot mention the word "faggot" or any variance, including slurs, or the word "gay" used in any context of hate (or even just directed towards those who prefer their own sex), yet you defended Meshyf and Ogre by pretending that I was worrying about nothing.
Patrid wrote:Again, please refer to the chat logs, the first mention of slurs was the word "gay" in a demeaning manner towards Bronies, I brought it up as: "slurs aren't allowed." After I wrote that Meshyf and Ogre basically tested the waters with the chat logs provided above. Rather than letting me do my job, your reaction was to challenge my words and back those whom I have warned.
Second, I was warned that the subjects in Westbox could be interpreted as offensive at which time, I noted that I've been warned about yall. Rather than take it at my word, you'd rather challenge my credibility. Although you have just met me, the fact that I've been an admin for almost 2 entire years now (for these servers) and have banned few people which speaks volumes about the patience I have. I usually only kick those who have a superiority complex and test the rules, but this case is slightly different. I don't take kindly to those who show up on our servers, then encourage misconduct.
medkitz wrote:Talking about a human's anal system and sexual acts directed in the area is quite innappropriate and I recall you being involved. If my memory is wrong i'll apologize right now. Also, even if you weren't involved I am quite sure no one wnats to hear anything about the previously mentioned topics during a game in a slaying server.
DeepSpaceBass wrote:Encourage misconduct?! EXCUSE ME! At what point did I support or condone violating the rule you claimed we had broken? And if someone was using the word gay in reference to bronies why didn't you post that rather than something unrelated?
Even IF someone used something like "bronies are gay" (and I stress that nobody said this) or something in that fashion, when did the word "gay" become a slur? Gay is a commonly used term to refer to homosexuality. The word you stated we had uttered was "fag" or "faggot", which you STILL haven't provided evidence to that it was used in the context you're implying.
Patrid wrote:To get on the same page:
There have been at least 3 times where I tell a person after they use the word "fag" in some context that it's not okay and...
- They ask : 'Oh what, the word FAG?"
- "What about nigger?"
- "What if I am a nigger"
- "What if I'm a nigger fag?"
^Said conversation usually tells me that they are pre-empting me by pushing my button and bending the rules (basically being the Glenn Becks of TF2).
The only reason why I didn't ban you, Ogre, was because I was uncertain of whether or not you truly understood the rules. The reason why I banned DeepSpaceBass was because I repeated warned him that disrespecting admins was against server rules. He chose to continue his banter. I chose to end it.
DeepSpaceBass wrote:Thats neither here nor there, that person was pushing your buttons after the fact of you claiming someone said faggot, and that person is neither me, Ogre, OR Dethfield. You still haven't gotten to the original point where you claimed one person was referencing another in the form of hate, and that I was egging them on, nor have you gotten to the point for your reason for permanently banning me.
Someone asked me "why do people have a problem with MLP", and I explained that it isn't MLP but the horrid sub-fanbase of the show that affiliate a children's show for girls with Zoophilic fantasies.
and the word "clopper" is in reference to someone who wants to have sex with ponies as was explained to me. Was he incorrect by saying that having sex with horses is homosexual in nature? Sure, a more accurate by saying "they have sex with horses", but the fact is no language such as that was said or condoned by me or anyone else you have involved in this incident.
Patrid wrote: Second issue: A few players, namely DeepSpaceBass, began talking about how corrupt it was to punish players for "disrespecting women"
Then after some banter about DeepSpace explaining why I'm a "White Knight
Fencerboy wrote:I'm not taking sides (yet) but can we see evidence of this?Patrid wrote: Second issue: A few players, namely DeepSpaceBass, began talking about how corrupt it was to punish players for "disrespecting women"
Then after some banter about DeepSpace explaining why I'm a "White Knight
This ^^ is the reason he was banned right?
Phantom wrote:Correct me if im wrong deepspace.
But your talking about inappropriate topics, an admin comes in says to no one specifically, "don't use slurs", and you argue with him and demand an apology.
Well I can see your ban was unwarranted.
Disrespecting admins and players.
Harassing admins and players.
These two rules have been broken by you more than once and are in the rules that pop up when your join, and your broke them which merits a ban.
My apologies for posting out of turn.
DeepSpaceBass wrote:I did not use any slur, and the slur he was claiming that was used was not used until after he had claimed it was said (I have a ton of evidence to support this, which is conveniently being ignored by people implying me complaining about wrongdoing as "disrespect"), and even if it was used the threat was directed at people who had not used it. I have never harassed anyone on this server, You can't just make up reasons for me to be banned when the one you originally claimed to have banned me for just isn't true.
Also correct me if I'm wrong, but by quoting people in such a way to claim they were breaking the rules and I was defending them, aren't you MAKING IT their business?
Lets take a step back and think about something, if I HAD used a slur why would I waste time trying to get unbanned from this place? If I wanted to be a bigot I'd find a server that allows me to.
DeepSpaceBass wrote: I have evidence and witnesses to support that I did none of the things you claim I did and YOU DON'T. Thats a fact, the only thing you have is your own word, and whenever I question "evidence" you have taken out of context you react with Ad Hominem.
Patrid wrote:DeepSpaceBass wrote: I have evidence and witnesses to support that I did none of the things you claim I did and YOU DON'T. Thats a fact, the only thing you have is your own word, and whenever I question "evidence" you have taken out of context you react with Ad Hominem.
Let's see:
I have 2 years of dealing with douches such yourself.
I have uploaded an .wav file that you've conveniently looked over
I have the support of player who have played on that server and had noticed offensive subject thrown around
You have:
"evidence" which you have not yet given
"witnesses" - you're making witnesses out of the offending parties involved. Are you going to get Meshyf onto this site and defend you too?
Ogre is walking a thin line as it is. Due to chat logs, he's mentioned the word "fag" in variation at least twice. Does this make him a good witness? Really?
VoltySquirrel wrote:I thought there was a rule about ban disputes being only the person banned, the banning admin, and redmins?
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