So about that unused TF2 server.

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So about that unused TF2 server.

by Failhorse » Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:46 pm

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We have an unused TF2 server. Sitting, waiting to be loved by people. Err, whatever..

OK We know a few things.

1) SRS gaming won't work.
2) Custom maps, playing as normal, won't work
3) We have overflow with SB2, don't need a 3rd overflow server
4) no MGE. plenty of empty server to do that shit in.


But we do have a resurgence on the 'Fun' mod side of things. Thinking we go a mixed route. Include things excluded by those pretentious jerks over at the fun server office. Like prop hunt, murder ball, ect.

So a vote to gauge. And you should comment below.
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Failhorse » Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:49 pm

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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Failhorse » Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:50 pm

Current unused (by us) or obsolete working mods.
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Working mods we don't use:

Freeze tag
Prop Hunt
Murder Ball
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Nikki Wolf » Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:03 pm

The pinkmins and I were discussing about the unused server the other day. We were thinking of maybe having it dedicated to Slender Fortress or as a test fun server.
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Johnydrisk » Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:34 pm

Stop trying to kill this server with fire >=(! Lets give it slender and see how it does... or name it after me, lots of people joke about it so it would be funnier if it actually happened.
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Hodgepodge » Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:40 pm

Burn it! With fire and brimstone!
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by fingerman » Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:41 pm

slender fortress for as far as I can tell is a proprietary mod.
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by HausOfJoel » Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:41 pm

Nikki Wolf wrote:The pinkmins and I were discussing about the unused server the other day. We were thinking of maybe having it dedicated to Slender Fortress or as a test fun server.

Is the Slender mod even being shared? I thought that wasn't being shared along with x10, warioware, etc. so i think trying to get those mods is a lost cause at this point(unless we find someone with the mod thats sharing)

Johnydrisk wrote:Stop trying to kill this server with fire >=(! Lets give it slender and see how it does... or name it after me, lots of people joke about it so it would be funnier if it actually happened.

I think we're trying to take the server more seriously so putting that as a joke isnt a great idea, I think if we can just kill it with fire and make it a different server or just make it into another server with mods we have or can get but really, burn it
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by fingerman » Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:46 pm

HausOfJoel wrote:
Nikki Wolf wrote:The pinkmins and I were discussing about the unused server the other day. We were thinking of maybe having it dedicated to Slender Fortress or as a test fun server.

Is the Slender mod even being shared? I thought that wasn't being shared along with x10, warioware, etc. so i think trying to get those mods is a lost cause at this point(unless we find someone with the mod thats sharing)

Johnydrisk wrote:Stop trying to kill this server with fire >=(! Lets give it slender and see how it does... or name it after me, lots of people joke about it so it would be funnier if it actually happened.

I think we're trying to take the server more seriously so putting that as a joke isnt a great idea, I think if we can just kill it with fire and make it a different server or just make it into another server with mods we have or can get but really, burn it



I can make a mod called burn to death, you spawn and start burning until you die.
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by NBC011795 » Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:08 pm

Failhorse wrote:Working mods we don't use:

Freeze tag
Prop Hunt
Murder Ball


We have both Freeze Tag and Prop Hunt on the servers, but nobody ever votes for them it seems.

And I have never heard of Murder Ball, so will have to look into that.
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Dravved » Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:12 pm

MGE and Jump Maps.
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Balubish » Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:45 pm

Mix that shit up.
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Balubish » Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:45 pm

Dravved wrote:MGE and Jump Maps.


No that sucks
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Failhorse » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:05 am

NBC011795 wrote:
We have both Freeze Tag and Prop Hunt on the servers, but nobody ever votes for them it seems.

And I have never heard of Murder Ball, so will have to look into that.



I bring that up specifically. At least prop hunt and freeze tag. Both game modes have very specific people that play them. Not saying to include both. Because they don't cross. Take no offense to this but the reason they don't work on the current fun servers is the people that currently play on our fun servers. Someone playing freeze tag doesn't want to hear obscure hentai porn music and mic spam. Just sayin'. My actual drunken point. Is doing the same thing a 3rd time will not work. I highly suggest that if it goes as the 3rd fun box, it needs to be different. Look what happened in the slayboxes we had too many servers and they all crashed over the summer. We need to make something that takes some people but draws in more.
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by CR33D » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:23 am

I truly believe that a custom, no-crit, serious server would work. There really aren't that many high end servers these days, and most of them are heavily populated (STAR's server, some Reddit Servers, a few Taunt! severs, etc.) Critsandvich does not have a server like that- and although I might be slightly biased, as I tend to play on these servers- I feel that there is a rather large group of people willing to play on them. This would manly cater to the competitive players, more so than the Slayboxes and Westbox. It would take a while to get started, sure, but once it got rolling, it probably would continue to grow and expand. I know for a fact that I would visit them almost daily, if not daily.

But they aren't my servers, and its up to you guys. If it's gonna be a fun server, it'd probably have to have some (or a lot) of fun mods differing from the Love Nest and Fun Box, as those aren't constantly popped 24/7. I think TF2x10 would be a fun mod, although I don't know if they ever released it to the public.
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Dravved » Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:35 am

Balubish wrote:
Dravved wrote:MGE and Jump Maps.


No that sucks

no u suk
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Balubish » Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:00 am

Dravved wrote:
Balubish wrote:
Dravved wrote:MGE and Jump Maps.


No that sucks

no u suk


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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Balubish » Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:01 am

How about CSn's own UGC highlander maybe?

Or kill it with a molotov cocktail, then drop it in acid, and throw it in a active volcano and then launch that end result in a rocket beyond our solar system with the direction for the darkest spot in the sky.
And maybe try a new EU server? Im a good server pop guy also a "few" good friends in here are good server pop:ing admins. Even though you guys ping would be, yeah like mine im sure you guys would be ok to help pop it up with me.

Well two ideas.
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Dravved » Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:17 am

Balubish wrote:
Dravved wrote:
Balubish wrote:
No that sucks

no u suk


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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by NBC011795 » Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:17 am

Failhorse wrote:I bring that up specifically. At least prop hunt and freeze tag. Both game modes have very specific people that play them. Not saying to include both. Because they don't cross. Take no offense to this but the reason they don't work on the current fun servers is the people that currently play on our fun servers. Someone playing freeze tag doesn't want to hear obscure hentai porn music and mic spam. Just sayin'. My actual drunken point. Is doing the same thing a 3rd time will not work. I highly suggest that if it goes as the 3rd fun box, it needs to be different. Look what happened in the slayboxes we had too many servers and they all crashed over the summer. We need to make something that takes some people but draws in more.


Point taken, So I will cast my vote to make it a 24/7 Freeze Tag Server (Unless a better idea is suggested after I say this), because that usually brought in a lot of people when the servers changed to it.
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Maringue » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:49 pm

CR33D wrote:I truly believe that a custom, no-crit, serious server would work. There really aren't that many high end servers these days, and most of them are heavily populated (STAR's server, some Reddit Servers, a few Taunt! severs, etc.) Critsandvich does not have a server like that- and although I might be slightly biased, as I tend to play on these servers- I feel that there is a rather large group of people willing to play on them. This would manly cater to the competitive players, more so than the Slayboxes and Westbox. It would take a while to get started, sure, but once it got rolling, it probably would continue to grow and expand. I know for a fact that I would visit them almost daily, if not daily.

But they aren't my servers, and its up to you guys. If it's gonna be a fun server, it'd probably have to have some (or a lot) of fun mods differing from the Love Nest and Fun Box, as those aren't constantly popped 24/7. I think TF2x10 would be a fun mod, although I don't know if they ever released it to the public.

We've tried this at least 3 times in the past. We get a group of people asking for a no crit/spread server, so we set one up and then it NEVER fills. Like ever.

Basically the same group of people that always asks for a comp type server never pop it. And since a server like this does not show up in Quickplay, you need a lot of people (and I mean a lot, probably like a thousand people) to know about the sever before it will have a chance of populating and being somewhere people actually play. You would need someone to go on a media blitz campaign to get the word out about the server before it would work.

My guess is that the 4th time will not be the charm and this won't work, again.
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by HausOfJoel » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:02 pm

NBC011795 wrote:
Failhorse wrote:I bring that up specifically. At least prop hunt and freeze tag. Both game modes have very specific people that play them. Not saying to include both. Because they don't cross. Take no offense to this but the reason they don't work on the current fun servers is the people that currently play on our fun servers. Someone playing freeze tag doesn't want to hear obscure hentai porn music and mic spam. Just sayin'. My actual drunken point. Is doing the same thing a 3rd time will not work. I highly suggest that if it goes as the 3rd fun box, it needs to be different. Look what happened in the slayboxes we had too many servers and they all crashed over the summer. We need to make something that takes some people but draws in more.


Point taken, So I will cast my vote to make it a 24/7 Freeze Tag Server (Unless a better idea is suggested after I say this), because that usually brought in a lot of people when the servers changed to it.


I agree with Freeze Tag, as appealing as that burn mod sounds, I think Freeze Tag would be a great choice to change it too.
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Dravved » Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:28 pm

Maringue wrote:
CR33D wrote:I truly believe that a custom, no-crit, serious server would work. There really aren't that many high end servers these days, and most of them are heavily populated (STAR's server, some Reddit Servers, a few Taunt! severs, etc.) Critsandvich does not have a server like that- and although I might be slightly biased, as I tend to play on these servers- I feel that there is a rather large group of people willing to play on them. This would manly cater to the competitive players, more so than the Slayboxes and Westbox. It would take a while to get started, sure, but once it got rolling, it probably would continue to grow and expand. I know for a fact that I would visit them almost daily, if not daily.

But they aren't my servers, and its up to you guys. If it's gonna be a fun server, it'd probably have to have some (or a lot) of fun mods differing from the Love Nest and Fun Box, as those aren't constantly popped 24/7. I think TF2x10 would be a fun mod, although I don't know if they ever released it to the public.

We've tried this at least 3 times in the past. We get a group of people asking for a no crit/spread server, so we set one up and then it NEVER fills. Like ever.

Basically the same group of people that always asks for a comp type server never pop it. And since a server like this does not show up in Quickplay, you need a lot of people (and I mean a lot, probably like a thousand people) to know about the sever before it will have a chance of populating and being somewhere people actually play. You would need someone to go on a media blitz campaign to get the word out about the server before it would work.

My guess is that the 4th time will not be the charm and this won't work, again.


Ok, real talk time. The reason you guys have such a hard time getting an audience that is more skilled than a typical pub, is that CSn has a history of treating comp players like shit. People are constantly ridiculed for being a "tryhard", yet if that "tryhard" makes any sort of retort, they've crossed the line and are on bad terms with admins. I know Cornelius hasn't played in fucking ages, but when he applied for admin, certain current admins didn't want him to make it, literally because he played comp, and they for whatever reason didn't like comp players. That shit needs to stop. If we can't make fun of your ponies and LE SO RUNDOM SHPEE POOTIS HOOVY, then you can't give us shit for wanting to play this game with a certain level of skill.

Also, if you want to make the No Crit/No Spread servers work, you can't treat them like Slayboxes. You would need a different set of admins. The Slayboxes have become extremely "pubby". While I understand you guys take a lot of pride in having no ads, you really need to tone down on the chat spam if you want to have a high skilled server be successful. Lose the notices in the chat. Lose the HLStats. Lose the notifications in the middle of the screen about the website. Get the watermark off the screen in the bottom left. These things work in pubs. However, players of a higher skill level tend to have a very specific setup for when they play. Tweaked HUDs, damage notifications, graphics settings, etc. Those notices are constantly blocking vital information such as health and ammo, as well as the chat notices clogging up shit that actually needs to be read.

That's just cosmetic things. If you want a comp server to work, you need to get a team of admins that have the same mentality of a comp player, and rules that fit the culture of "comp". People that are good at TF2 come across as dicks. I get that. But we really aren't. We don't actually think you should uninstall TF2 because you dropped uber. We really don't want you to kill yourself when you start using the Gunslinger. Skilled players understand this. We are a parody of ourselves. None of us actually think "w0w fukin rekt fag ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)" is a clever insult. We are making fun of our own stereotypes. In high level TF2, there are no rules to "play nice". There are two mantras. Respect the player, and respect that game. Nothing else. If you want a server like this to do well, you need to lighten the fuck up. You can't have admins that are offended by words on a screen. And I know what you're thinking "We at Critsandvich want to have a friendly, mature community". Well you can either have a comp server, or you can follow that belief. Pick one. I'm about to make a huge as generalization, but bear with me. The types of players that will actually LEAVE a server because they feel offended, and don't think a server has "nice" people on it, are usually not skilled enough to enjoy a server like this in the first place. In order to become skilled at TF2, you need to spend time in the game. And the more time you spend in the game, the more you understand the culture of it. I 100% believe that any player that actually wants and would enjoy a higher skilled server, would be completely fine with things that would normally break the rules.

tl;dr, if you want to make a skilled server work and be successful, you need to do the following:
    Remove any and all ads for the CSn community, outside of the server name
    Remove All Talk
    Remove Autobalance
    Add an item ban list (Use the UGC One)
    Basically remove all rules outside of "Don't hack"
    Use admins that actually play comp, or barring that, are highly skilled and understand the culture (Rosey, Trike, Fence, nicewithit, Snowsickle, Big Shovel, Shiny Mudkip, and myself are regulars who either play comp or are skilled enough to understand the culture behind it)
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Failhorse » Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:34 pm

Dravved wrote:
Ok, real talk time.





Maringue is right. Keep in mind CSN existed prior to CSN under a different name. Way back when we sponsored Enigma who was a relatively good comp team. Gave them a match server, and a 'pro' 18 or 24 slot (can't remember which.) Much like what happened with our last 2 CSN tries, it failed. We create a server, and it sits empty. You can't blame excessive adverts or junk on the screen. Those could be dealt with. The problem is and always will be the lack interest. Simply put, every time, no one wanted to pop. Don't know how many times I'd see said 'pro' guy in some other server. We try to pop, and they ignore.

But that little rant cements another simple fact. Remove CSN and give pro players a clean place to play. What's the point in hosting it? Conversion to the site and donations would be non-existent. And pro players are dicks. Look at me. Tried it, did well, hated the community... I'll stick to skill pills and pootis.
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Dravved » Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:03 pm

Failhorse wrote: Remove CSN and give pro players a clean place to play. What's the point in hosting it? Conversion to the site and donations would be non-existent. And pro players are dicks. Look at me. Tried it, did well, hated the community... I'll stick to skill pills and pootis.


What makes you think players that would play on those servers would want to donate in the first place? Even if you had messages and pop ups, they would just be seen as a nuisance and ignored. If you want to use the server for donations, then just make it LoveNest v2. However if you want to begin to undo the somewhat negative reputation that CSn has in the comp world, which would then lead to more word of mouth advertising, I would highly suggest doing what I said.
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Failhorse » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:34 pm

I'm not saying just donations. Conversion is very important. Who will pop the server? As I said. Those who 'gave us a bad name' are only concerned in a server they can walk into that is full. No simpler way of saying it. As for having a bad name. If pro guys are mad we run the game as Valve intended, I'm OK with that.
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Fencerboy » Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:58 pm

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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Dravved » Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:22 pm

Fencerboy wrote:trade server


HOLY FUCK YES
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by that shiny mudkip » Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:51 pm

Failhorse wrote:4) no MGE.

I am sad. Very sad :c
could it at least be a voting option please?
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Hodgepodge » Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:05 pm

Burn it with fire anyway!
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Maringue » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:27 am

Dravved wrote:
Failhorse wrote: Remove CSN and give pro players a clean place to play. What's the point in hosting it? Conversion to the site and donations would be non-existent. And pro players are dicks. Look at me. Tried it, did well, hated the community... I'll stick to skill pills and pootis.


What makes you think players that would play on those servers would want to donate in the first place? Even if you had messages and pop ups, they would just be seen as a nuisance and ignored. If you want to use the server for donations, then just make it LoveNest v2. However if you want to begin to undo the somewhat negative reputation that CSn has in the comp world, which would then lead to more word of mouth advertising, I would highly suggest doing what I said.

First, if none of the "pro players" who want a comp type server are going to donate, then they can go pay their own money to rent a server and set it up however they please.

And you can play the game with however much skill you want, but if you act like a shit faced cock master then you are going to end up playing in an empty server. I don't care if people are good, we have lots of good players here, but you can be good AND not be a giant dick. I've never yelled at a player for playing with skill. I have yelled at people who sticky camp spawn doors, but that's not skill so I don't see an issue. And as an FYI, "He's a comp player" has never been a reason why someone didn't get admin.

"People that are good at TF2 come across as dicks." If you come across as a dick, you are a dick. We have some people who actually do what you are suggesting, ie mocking douchebags who take shit too seriously, but they know what they are doing and only do it to other people who get the joke. If Nicewithit kills me, he might say "rekt" or something because I get it. I've never seen him say that to a new player.

Here's your tl;dr to which I'll add some notes:

Remove any and all ads for the CSn community, outside of the server name go pay for your own server then...
Remove All Talk this is a possible change, but it still won't pop the server
Remove Autobalance because I'm sure comp players love to steam roll less skilled teams, that's so much fun...
Add an item ban list (Use the UGC One) Nope, all weapons are allowed. We're not banning a weapon because a few players don't like it
Basically remove all rules outside of "Don't hack" We have two rules, and you want to remove one of them. Refer to the first comment
Use admins that actually play comp, or barring that, are highly skilled and understand the culture (Rosey, Trike, Fence, nicewithit, Snowsickle, Big Shovel, Shiny Mudkip, and myself are regulars who either play comp or are skilled enough to understand the culture behind it) if by "understanding the culture" you mean "let me get away with bullshit and say whatever I want", then yeah, that's not happening...

And since we are being real, Fail was right. There's a list of people (it changes) that always ask for a comp type server, no crit/spread, but are totally unwilling to populate it. More importantly, that list of people is usually pretty small, so even if everyone of the people who ever asked for a comp server all got into it at once, I don't think it would be full.

Also, I'd like to point out that this is the same "Help Help, I'm being persecuted" that both Christians and Republicans make. No one's persecuting anyone for being good at the game; if we're persecuting you it's because you're an asshole that's driving other players out of the server.
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Balubish » Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:15 am

Damn that was some nice points. I dont belive in GOD but I salute to that awesome post. I Vote Maringue for GOD!
PRO means a really good player that dont mind playing with lesser good players sometime. Cause they win alot and dont have to try dat hard really, nothing bad with that.
Wanna be PRO means might be a good player but behaves like dick and when it goes bad say the "losing team" they leave before the game ends. Seen some ppl do that, and they call themselfs PRO.
Yeah pro my ass I call that chicken shit and cant handle a loss.
Sorry had to get that out of my system. Don't be dick rule applies to everybody, even pros or admins. Just behave and have fun. Thats the whole point of it all.
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Johnydrisk » Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:38 am

Team Fortress 2 could use more people like Balubish and Maringue. I didn't get to where I am now by being a complete dick. I came into a Critsandvich server to have fun and see if I could make some new friends. I play like a madman, running up the front lines with nothing but a shield in one hand and a frying pan in the other. People started to pop the server when I joined it to have a grand time, laugh, and chat with others. Because I have been nice, cool minded and had a heart of gold I was into an admin in no time.

You can say people have made it up the ladder by stepping over others. But who will honestly want to be with those kind of people. I have an army of 92 who's always ready to either pop or participate in activities whenever I announce it. I did this by not being a dick and push others around. This new funserver deserves people that can understand that being the best out of the rest is not what it's all about (unless you're in a tournament.) This server needs people to understand that having fun playing, chatting, and enjoying a good time with you're friends is the main purpose of a funserver.
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Ron Swansons Stache » Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:48 am

Fencerboy wrote:trade server


I don't really deal with the Mann-conomy or whatever unless I just want a specific thing like The Original or something, but this could actually be the best idea. To be honest, I would never join it, but trade servers are easy to pop,tend to develop cultures and are a great place to just hang out and shoot the shit. I also think it would convert well for the site. CSN has done a few giveaways, and what better place to host those than in a trade server? Building buzz like that will bring people to the site (presumably to have updates on the next event) and maybe they'll like what they see and donate/join the other servers.

Since we don't really have an agreement on what else we can do I think this may be the best option.
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Dravved » Thu Dec 12, 2013 2:39 pm

Ron Swansons Stache wrote:
Fencerboy wrote:trade server


I don't really deal with the Mann-conomy or whatever unless I just want a specific thing like The Original or something, but this could actually be the best idea. To be honest, I would never join it, but trade servers are easy to pop,tend to develop cultures and are a great place to just hang out and shoot the shit. I also think it would convert well for the site. CSN has done a few giveaways, and what better place to host those than in a trade server? Building buzz like that will bring people to the site (presumably to have updates on the next event) and maybe they'll like what they see and donate/join the other servers.

Since we don't really have an agreement on what else we can do I think this may be the best option.


We also used to have a trade server that was extremely successful in it's day. Then it got shut down for unexplained reasons.
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Rologton » Thu Dec 12, 2013 5:14 pm

Ok, tl;dr'd most of the posts, but there was a few things I got out of it.

First of all, if there are popular mods that aren't being shared, then I say fuck them. We have some creative ass people here. Let's make our own mod! With blackjack, and hookers! In fact, forget the mod...

Second, I agree that a no-crits, no-spread srsbznzz server could work, even if it failed last time. We just need to get some serious advertisement out there and get comp players to start playing on it. Considering we have comp players in the community who I would assume know other comp players, if we really try, it shouldn't be too hard. I, for one, know players on SPUF that would be all over it. We're an extremely well respected community amongst high-end players. Let's use that to our advantage.


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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Dravved » Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:22 pm

Rologton wrote:We're an extremely well respected community amongst high-end players.

That's debatable. It's pretty much 50/50 at best.
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Dravved » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:25 pm

Maringue wrote:If Nicewithit kills me, he might say "rekt" or something because I get it. I've never seen him say that to a new player.


This is exactly why I was stripped of admin. I said rekt and gave shit to friends. Never new players. And I was stripped of admin and permabanned. If you want to so blatantly perpetuate a huge fucking double standard, at least put some fucking effort into it.
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Maringue » Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:52 am

Dravved wrote:
Maringue wrote:If Nicewithit kills me, he might say "rekt" or something because I get it. I've never seen him say that to a new player.


This is exactly why I was stripped of admin. I said rekt and gave shit to friends. Never new players. And I was stripped of admin and permabanned. If you want to so blatantly perpetuate a huge fucking double standard, at least put some fucking effort into it.

Nope, you were a douchebag to pretty much anyone and everyone in the server. That's why you were permabanned. Don't delude yourself by thinking otherwise.
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Balubish » Fri Dec 13, 2013 12:59 pm

Maringue wrote:
Dravved wrote:
Maringue wrote:If Nicewithit kills me, he might say "rekt" or something because I get it. I've never seen him say that to a new player.


This is exactly why I was stripped of admin. I said rekt and gave shit to friends. Never new players. And I was stripped of admin and permabanned. If you want to so blatantly perpetuate a huge fucking double standard, at least put some fucking effort into it.

Nope, you were a douchebag to pretty much anyone and everyone in the server. That's why you were permabanned. Don't delude yourself by thinking otherwise.


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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Dravved » Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:53 pm

Maringue wrote:
Dravved wrote:
Maringue wrote:If Nicewithit kills me, he might say "rekt" or something because I get it. I've never seen him say that to a new player.


This is exactly why I was stripped of admin. I said rekt and gave shit to friends. Never new players. And I was stripped of admin and permabanned. If you want to so blatantly perpetuate a huge fucking double standard, at least put some fucking effort into it.

Nope, you were a douchebag to pretty much anyone and everyone in the server. That's why you were permabanned. Don't delude yourself by thinking otherwise.


Don't delude yourself into thinking you played on the Slayboxes enough to even give a fair assessment. You jumped on the bandwagon the second the LoveNest circlejerk got all fucking analpained about my choice of words with my friends. You really think I would have a group of friends like I do now, by being a cunt to every fucking random I meet? I'm sorry but calling little Timmy a shitlord on a pub server is simply not worth my time and effort. So either you're diffusing your pent up frustration on being picked on as a child on to me because you think everybody is out to get you, or there is a serious case of mistaken identity going on.
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Guy LeDouche » Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:11 pm

Wait. Maringue played in the Slayboxes? But I agree with Drawed here. How come some people can give shit to their friends on a SUPER SRS hat based game, but he cant? and gets banned for it? Everybody just needs to get the dick outta their assholes and loosen up.
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Failhorse » Sat Dec 14, 2013 12:37 am

Hey let's stay on topic here. You're bitchfest has a new home. (Maringue excluded.)
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Dravved » Sat Dec 14, 2013 2:10 am

Failhorse wrote:Hey let's stay on topic here. You're bitchfest has a new home. (Maringue excluded.)


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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Rosey » Sat Dec 14, 2013 2:58 am

classic critsandvich
everyone ignores the actual topic and bitchfest continues

the point is there's the obvious divide between the two server groups here that may or may not relate to the outcome of the new server
how it could relate:
- new server ends up as either new slaybox, mge, or nocrits server
- larger support for competetive side of csn community than in the past
- an understanding that comp tf2 culture is different*

*Drawed's "explanation" on this was overly retarded, having a completely vanilla server does not work, see every other minor "community" out there trying to create a community as big as ours. Pubs are pubs, and nothing can change that. There are however, different skill levels of pubs. CSN used to be considered one of the higher level pubs with respectable admins, where good players (sometimes competetive players) would play and you would get a bigger challenge then you would playing on a skial or valve server. Today, the amount of skilled players has dropped, and the admins have mostly been disappearing, with the remaining bluemins having some sort of mental block on the state of competitive TF2 today.
the problems with draweds list
Remove any and all ads for the CSn community, outside of the server name - Community growth and support only comes from people that know about the community in the first place. this is not fucking fight club
Remove All Talk - Not really necessary for a pub
Remove Autobalance - Not a good idea on pubs.
Add an item ban list (Use the UGC One) - this isn't fucking highlander or 6v6, no one cares if you run the enforcer on a 12v12 server
Basically remove all rules outside of "Don't hack" - CSN literally only has 2 rules, no bigotry/racism and no hacking, and pretty much the unspoken rule of no spamming (though some admins consider "spamming" 2-3 lines of single phrase binds, which is absolutely ridiculous, 4 lines is pushing it, 5 lines is too much)
Use admins that actually play comp, or barring that, are highly skilled and understand the culture (Rosey, Trike, Fence, nicewithit, Snowsickle, Big Shovel, Shiny Mudkip, and myself are regulars who either play comp or are skilled enough to understand the culture behind it) - The main selling point of the entire post. I myself am not usually a confrontational person, i'll be playing and not really say much but i understand the fact that players can and will shit on each other because they're good friends and/or making fun of the fact that "get rekt" is a joke in itself. It happens, and you have to accept that different friend groups have different jokes amongst themselves and though may seem outrageous to anyone outside the group, have no real intentions of getting in anyone's way, we're playing like the rest of you all.

how it couldnt relate:
- new server ends up as a fun gametype mode
- bitchfest continues and both sides dont interact with each other much like always, or people understand and stop bitching about drawed all the time because drawed is not the fucking embodiment of the slayboxes and old skiled players left because they just stopped giving a shit about csn unlike drawed

anyways closing words:
yes drawed's periodically a rambunctious imbecile
yes people tend to ignore him because of this
yes those people miss out on the few good points he has
no i dont really care what the server ends up being to be honest
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Maringue » Sat Dec 14, 2013 8:13 am

I'll put it this way, since we have no idea for a new server that everyone is backing, why not give a comp style server another chance.

Here's the catch: We'd only do it for a few months, say 3.

That gives people who want a no crit/spread server a chance to spread the word, get out a good PR campaign, and get the server popped. If after a couple months no one is ever in the server, then we can switch it to whatever we want. If the server fills up a couple nights a week, then we keep it. So that would really leave it up to the people asking for this type of server to advertise the shit out of it. We could set up a new Steam group for it so people who want to pop the comp box can send out announcements.

I'd like a comp style box to succeed because I like having a high level of play in our regular slayboxes, it just never has in the past.
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by CR33D » Sat Dec 14, 2013 5:32 pm

If its going to be a fun server, should we try the RTD mod? A lot of people enjoy that, and I think it'll make the overall experience better.
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by CR33D » Sat Dec 14, 2013 5:42 pm

And I just talked to the owner of the TF2x10 mod, and he plans on keeping it a private mod for a while, so that's out of the question.
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by chef bobert » Mon Jan 06, 2014 10:29 pm

I vote for a Surf Dm server.
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Guy » Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:24 am

I say a TC_Hydro server.

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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Balubish » Tue Jan 07, 2014 10:52 am

I have played on a server called saigns.de they have about 30 servers or so. They have hlstats. But they also have a different style to them. More ammo for demo for example 6 bullets instead of 4. Dispenser shoot out rockets but much slower than regular, and you can boost your life I think it is when you kill you get some % higher health for a while. Get a little bit faster speed running. I don't know all the mods they have but it actually was quite fun. And they actually are running with bots until the server fill up, but mostly it is regular players online. So even if there are few ppl ingame they can have a full game, not as pro but still. And I did see a autoban for aimbot script on it.

Maybe somehting like that?
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by Balubish » Tue Jan 07, 2014 10:55 am

Balubish wrote:I have played on a server called saigns.de they have about 30 servers or so. They have hlstats. But they also have a different style to them. More ammo for demo for example 6 bullets instead of 4. Dispenser shoot out rockets but much slower than regular, and you can boost your life I think it is when you kill you get some % higher health for a while. Get a little bit faster speed running. I don't know all the mods they have but it actually was quite fun. And they actually are running with bots until the server fill up, but mostly it is regular players online. So even if there are few ppl ingame they can have a full game, not as pro but still. And I did see a autoban for aimbot script on it.

Maybe somehting like that?


And I talked to some ppl on the server last night. I said I would like a payload only server and some ppl 5cp maps only. Also to consider I guess.

Edit: oops messed up, sorry.
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by xalde » Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:53 pm

Balubish wrote:I have played on a server called saigns.de they have about 30 servers or so. They have hlstats. But they also have a different style to them. More ammo for demo for example 6 bullets instead of 4. Dispenser shoot out rockets but much slower than regular, and you can boost your life I think it is when you kill you get some % higher health for a while. Get a little bit faster speed running. I don't know all the mods they have but it actually was quite fun. And they actually are running with bots until the server fill up, but mostly it is regular players online. So even if there are few ppl ingame they can have a full game, not as pro but still. And I did see a autoban for aimbot script on it.

Maybe somehting like that?


Not unless you advertise that as some sort of other "lovenest" or make it disable it from accepting quick play users so people don't confuse that as the "real" TF2. Would be a shame to get newcomers and upon seeing all that think poorly of us. I know I've hopped onto a few servers using quick play and found servers with special dispensers and other crap, pissed me off and I blacklisted every one of their servers. Don't want people to blacklist all of ours due to one quick play incident.


Balubish wrote: And I talked to some ppl on the server last night. I said I would like a payload only server and some ppl 5cp maps only. Also to consider I guess.

Edit: oops messed up, sorry.


I would LOVE a 5cp only server, but it would be near impossible to populate and keep filled. When teams are balanced 5cp leads to some of the most fun and intense back-and-forth matches I've played in. Though when unbalanced it quickly leads to boredom and irritation. So you'd have to figure out how to best tweak auto balance or something so it triggers before too many steamrolls happen but also so that it's not constantly auto balancing people and make them leave.


As another option, turn it into an 18+ cybering server ;)
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Re: So about that unused TF2 server.

by CR33D » Tue Jan 07, 2014 5:59 pm

xalde wrote:As another option, turn it into an 18+ cybering server ;)



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